RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted November 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2021 Have I missed something that’s been common knowledge for a while? just watched this weeks Hornby a model world and they are doing an improved hst. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cbpete Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) You’re not the only one who missed that information, but who is the manufacturer who is going to produce one. Hopefully Accurascale with a full range of MK3 coaches. Edited November 23, 2021 by Cbpete 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted November 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, jonnyuk said: Just watched this weeks Hornby a model world and they are doing an improved hst. There is a thread on the 2021 hst already. The 2022 range is announced in January. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted November 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2021 Apologies for a duplicate post, Not seen that, I had a quick scan through the Hornby section and did not spot, got a link? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hal Nail said: There is a thread on the 2021 hst already. The 2022 range is announced in January. Reading between the lines they've just announced a new one on Yesterday..... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted November 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2021 Just now, Steamport Southport said: Reading between the lines they've just announced a new one on Yesterday..... Probably means someone else is about to as well then 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Hal Nail said: Probably means someone else is about to as well then That's what people have mentioned. Not watched the programme yet so can't really comment but seems Hornby have got wind of a "rival model". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Is it not just the amendments to the tooling for the Pullman HST headlight rather than a totally new model? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markn Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On the show, they photographed and measured the ex FGW powercar at Crewe Heritage Centre, then 're-vamped' their current offering around the rear doors, front lights and coupling mechanism. They also mentioned that a double sugar cube speaker would be present and new led lighting functions. It looked pretty good! Especially the coupling! Such a shame the FGW set are finally being re-released on the old chassis :-( 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted November 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2021 They also featured a restaurant car with the missing roof vents - fast becoming a Hornby signature model. I hope they are re doing the original coaches as well. I suspect we will see a model of the HST prototype from another manufacturer and perhaps that manufacture might decide to do the production versions as well? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted November 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2021 I do like this method of announcing new products via obscure TV channels, I look forward to the next Bachmann quarterly announcements via QVC and something filthy from Accurascale on late night Channel 5 Hopefully Hornby may one day do Great Western Trains ‘Merlin’ and ‘Fag Packet’ on the new power cars please, at over 20 years old, both liveries are now well into nostalgia territory! Cheers, James 6 3 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatloaf Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Will they also change the DCC socket or will 8 pin support multiple light functions. I did hear about other HST but these were the prototype from Dapol but in N and did i read about one proposed in O gauge? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Theres been rumours of Rapido making the prototype power cars for some years, if they were to take a leap to the production cars at the same time could have logic, thats about the only rumour I can think of. it seems pointless to me though, aside of the coupling upgrade, such a minor amendments to an already detailed model which pushes over £300 a pair already isnt going to get loads of people to drop their old ones and trade in for lets guess a £350-375 one with minor upgrades..if i ‘m wrong then theres some big money dealers in this hobby. Edited November 23, 2021 by adb968008 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatloaf Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I wonder if they got the wrong end of the stick and the competitior product actually was the class 91 and MK4 stock 2 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Oh thanks for the spoiler! I'm three weeks behind on this TV series! Oh here was I thinking the 2008 retool could not be topped! So I'm guessing now my swallow livery with buffers, the unbuffered swallow livery my eastern region, HST 40th anniversary HST , with the 5 MK3 coaches ( anyone know why they never made 8 for this one) . Executive livery LNER Farewell GWR first and last and the 2021 FGW purple HST sets won't be as good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonojnr Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 54 minutes ago, DavidM said: Is it not just the amendments to the tooling for the Pullman HST headlight rather than a totally new model? the way it is was positioned by the programme,, so we have to take a step back and remember this is in the "made for tv" style of setup meetings and things, it was billed as a complete makeover of the HST that Hornby last updated 14 years ago, so thats the 2006/07 ones (which I didnt think were that bad for detail compared to RTR versions) and in Simon Ks words he wanted a "Rolls Royce HST" to "fight fire with fire" of this unnamed rivals attempt to do a better than Hornby version of the HST, oh and the redesign had to be perfect, so we can expect Mk3 interior coach lighting with a bunch of gigantic capacitors on show maybe 4 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 minute ago, stonojnr said: the way it is was positioned by the programme,, so we have to take a step back and remember this is in the "made for tv" style of setup meetings and things, it was billed as a complete makeover of the HST that Hornby last updated 14 years ago, so thats the 2006/07 ones (which I didnt think were that bad for detail compared to RTR versions) and in Simon Ks words he wanted a "Rolls Royce HST" to "fight fire with fire" of this unnamed rivals attempt to do a better than Hornby version of the HST, oh and the redesign had to be perfect, so we can expect Mk3 interior coach lighting with a bunch of gigantic capacitors on show maybe And hopefully correct BR liveries MK3 buffet coaches with the correct underframe battery boxes and roof vents! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, James Makin said: I do like this method of announcing new products via obscure TV channels, I look forward to the next Bachmann quarterly announcements via QVC and something filthy from Accurascale on late night Channel 5 Hopefully Hornby may one day do Great Western Trains ‘Merlin’ and ‘Fag Packet’ on the new power cars please, at over 20 years old, both liveries are now well into nostalgia territory! Cheers, James Yes Great Western Trains ‘Merlin’ livery with INTERCITY on the MK3s! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Sorry couldn't resist! 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 confused as ever .. still waiting for an 08 with lights and standard stay alive! maybe thats next week! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Theres been rumours of Rapido making the prototype power cars for some years, if they were to take a leap to the production cars at the same time could have logic, thats about the only rumour I can think of. My recollection of what was posted in the past was that Rapido and Locomotion were going to do the prototype power cars but one or both sides decided to back out. One of the issues was that most of the feedback was that people really wanted appropriate coaches to go with the prototype power cars, and without those coaches many weren't interested in the power cars alone. And then Oxford Rail announced their all singing all dancing every version possible Mk3 model, which would have meant a Rapido coach would have been number 3 to market. At a guess that was viewed as a problem. Of course with the benefit of seeing what happened the Oxford Mk3 and Hornby's ongoing (until perhaps now) ignoring of updating their HST products (both power cars and the Mk3 coaches) it is possible that someone has decided there might be potential anyway - particularly with the arrival of Accurascale and the recent rush by many manufacturers to come out with new high detail version of models (and the market responding by buying them). 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: it seems pointless to me though, aside of the coupling upgrade, such a minor amendments to an already detailed model which pushes over £300 a pair already isnt going to get loads of people to drop their old ones and trade in for lets guess a £350-375 one with minor upgrades..if i ‘m wrong then theres some big money dealers in this hobby. I agree minor upgrades won't be well received - not with what Accurascale, Bachmann, Cavalex, Heljan, Rapido and others are currently bringing to market. On the other hand, while it won't get people to replace existing models does it get it "good enough" to scare away a potential competitor if they haven't yet started tooling? If a minimal investment allows Hornby to keep exclusivity then it could potentially pay off to the detriment of modellers who would prefer a better model. Edited November 23, 2021 by mdvle 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northmoor MPD Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 I wonder if the HSTs that are due in January (Midland Pullman, FGW) will have the modifications? They were measuring up the HST at Crewe heritage centre not long after it had arrived as it was still in FGW with the roof missing but it had the original style lights installed so possibly January 2021 time? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted November 23, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2021 7 hours ago, mdvle said: My recollection of what was posted in the past was that Rapido and Locomotion were going to do the prototype power cars but one or both sides decided to back out. One of the issues was that most of the feedback was that people really wanted appropriate coaches to go with the prototype power cars, and without those coaches many weren't interested in the power cars alone. And then Oxford Rail announced their all singing all dancing every version possible Mk3 model, which would have meant a Rapido coach would have been number 3 to market. At a guess that was viewed as a problem. Of course with the benefit of seeing what happened the Oxford Mk3 and Hornby's ongoing (until perhaps now) ignoring of updating their HST products (both power cars and the Mk3 coaches) it is possible that someone has decided there might be potential anyway - particularly with the arrival of Accurascale and the recent rush by many manufacturers to come out with new high detail version of models (and the market responding by buying them). I agree minor upgrades won't be well received - not with what Accurascale, Bachmann, Cavalex, Heljan, Rapido and others are currently bringing to market. On the other hand, while it won't get people to replace existing models does it get it "good enough" to scare away a potential competitor if they haven't yet started tooling? If a minimal investment allows Hornby to keep exclusivity then it could potentially pay off to the detriment of modellers who would prefer a better model. don't know how you can say at the detriment of modellers who would prefer a better model. the HST is a good model already, it only needs a bit of spit and polish. i do agree with you though, they may have done enough to ward off anyone else who had to start from scratch. 38 minutes ago, cbrooks122000 said: I suppose the only way I would buy another one is if it came out in a livery I wanted. Unfortunately, we didn't learn that much about it but could it be that they are upgrading the "railroad" model? That would make more sense, there is a much bigger market out there for those. would love to see east midlands liveries, very eye catching. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse889 Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 10 hours ago, RyanN91 said: And hopefully correct BR liveries MK3 buffet coaches with the correct underframe battery boxes and roof vents! I think that’s asking a bit much!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, cbrooks122000 said: I suppose the only way I would buy another one is if it came out in a livery I wanted. Unfortunately, we didn't learn that much about it but could it be that they are upgrading the "railroad" model? That would make more sense, there is a much bigger market out there for those. At one point early in the episode Simon K says he wants a Rolls Royce model (or words to that effect) so an updated railroad version is unlikely. I'd like those to be available (in the early livery) as they are at the right price / performance point of this loco (unit?) for me. Edited November 23, 2021 by H2O Clarify 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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