Michael Hodgson Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 27/11/2021 at 19:40, PenrithBeacon said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_18 https://claytonequipment.co.uk/hybrid-locomotives-in-a-class-18-of-their-own/ https://www.railfreight.com/business/2020/05/27/uk-clayton-shunts-into-electric-future-with-beacon/ Certainly seems to be an impressive loco, but it's a lot longer than the 08 and how does the driver get to see the front buffers? These days there's no good reason why he should need to. If we can have cars which park themselves, it should be just as feasible to design controls for an electric loco to measure its distance to a set of wagons and buffer up precisely. By the same token, it could be done with passenger stock and there might be a case in due course for reintroducing the old idea of through carriages without worrying about the safety risk of permissive occupation of platforms to combine loaded passenger trains. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, PenrithBeacon said: If a shunter (ie a human) is still needed then why a camera? For buffering up if it’s a one man crew shunter/driver and he can’t see well to judge distance at the long end? If you bang on hard you tend to bounce back, or the wagons do. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 10 hours ago, PaulRhB said: For buffering up if it’s a one man crew shunter/driver and he can’t see well to judge distance at the long end? If you bang on hard you tend to bounce back, or the wagons do. The photo showed a two man crew, driver and shunter. I would have thought just having a single person on the job would be a very long winded business. It'll be interesting how a camera stands up to the shocks and vibration of the railway yard environment. The camera in the picture didn't seem to be mounted on an anti-vibration/shock mount. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 29, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: The photo showed a two man crew, driver and shunter. I would have thought just having a single person on the job would be a very long winded business. It'll be interesting how a camera stands up to the shocks and vibration of the railway yard environment. The camera in the picture didn't seem to be mounted on an anti-vibration/shock mount. One person will be cheaper than two and using technology such as "auto" couplers and cameras will make one man more efficient. Cameras these days are exceedingly resilient. And image stabilisation technology will take out any shock in the picture. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 Ive got to admit that shunter looks a pretty good piece of kit. Lots of thought into the problems its trying to solve. If theyve priced it right, they could be into a winner both in Europe and the UK. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, newbryford said: One person will be cheaper than two and using technology such as "auto" couplers and cameras will make one man more efficient. Cameras these days are exceedingly resilient. And image stabilisation technology will take out any shock in the picture. I was thinking of the effect of shock/vibration on the hardware not the image quality. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 29, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: I was thinking of the effect of shock/vibration on the hardware not the image quality. I think you misunderstood my comment re: camera resilience. Just look at videos on youtube etc to see how physically resilient cameras can be - plenty of crash videos and the camera still works! And much of today's rolling stock is already camera fitted - forward facing and being bounced around at high speeds in many cases. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: I was thinking of the effect of shock/vibration on the hardware not the image quality. A year plus ago, I had a thriller on the IOW units, and videoed the journey, whilst I was happilly being thrown about, the video of the rollercoaster I was expecting was quite sedate due to image stabilisation.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 Cameras feed into the cab consoles (the driving console is set up the same either side) to make it easier/safer for the driver and any shunting staff. I can’t remember how automated the coupling can be as I only saw it being manually hooked up. The design is modular hence the differences between the Tata CBD90s and the Beacon CBD90s but Clayton have significant experience of locos operating in difficult environments eg quarries/mines etc. Plus the Tata locos have been in use for a couple of years and Tata have ordered an extra one. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2021 If the locos have remote control the driver can get out of the cab and watch the couplers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) It would be interesting to see how the design is developed such as an all electric version. Perhaps with a central cab or a cab at each end. Edited November 29, 2021 by PhilJ W 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said: The photo showed a two man crew, driver and shunter. I would have thought just having a single person on the job would be a very long winded business. Yes two people in that shot but it’s not necessarily standard practice. Sometimes it’s quicker to double up the crew and use one loco and other times two locos work separately is faster either for shunt release or top n tail. One man crews have been common in industry for years, even in steam days, to save money. The loco is equipped to give options and on a nice day it’s probably nicer to be stood on the steps with the remote enjoying the fresh air but in winter staying in the cab as much as possible is preferable That is certainly true of crews in the US using remote control locos 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purnu Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Hi Ben & Mike. I appreciate with a project like this that it’s continuously evolving and there will be commercial sensitivities attached but can you confirm (hint ) if there will be any further versions/liveries apart from those already announced? If there is, will they be part of the initial releases or later on? Any information is greatly appreciated. Kind regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted January 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2022 Hi Purnu If there are any new liveries announced before we start production then we will definitely look to add them to the initial releases. It will ultimately depend on what happens with the real things! Cheers Mike 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purnu Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 On 20/01/2022 at 06:08, Revolution Mike said: Hi Purnu If there are any new liveries announced before we start production then we will definitely look to add them to the initial releases. It will ultimately depend on what happens with the real things! Cheers Mike Hi Mike Completely understand. Many thanks for the reply. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 4, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2022 This should help pre-orders.... https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2022/02/04/clayton-battery-loco-for-gb-railfreight/ (Ta to LD@FNC) 3 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Anyone know if it is visible from anywhere round the Whitemoor site? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAR 120C Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 If anyone’s interested there’s a four page article on the Class 18 in the latest edition of Rail magazine. The author, Ben Jones, was assisted by Ben and Mike of Revolution Trains together with Clive Hannaford of Clayton. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Do I have to get one as it’s been past my house? 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Talltim said: Do I have to get one as it’s been past my house? Great picture. Do Oxford Diecast do Allely's low loaders? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Talltim said: Do I have to get one as it’s been past my house? Only if they're doing it in that plian livery with no number. Looks rather attractive without being plastered with adverts for the operating company, instructions, safety notices, etc. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 14, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2022 As the prototype can be driven from trackside by remote control an orange clad figure holding a remote control will save you having to add a driver figure. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkchinaclay Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) This coming weeks episode of Train Truckers on Yesterday channel, Thursday at 9pm (Sky) is about moving one of the CBD80’s from Burton to the Chasewater railway. Edited July 30, 2022 by norfolkchinaclay 2 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I understand the class 18s are accumulating at Wolverton with 18006 the latest one apparently taken there by road. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 14/07/2022 at 18:00, PhilJ W said: As the prototype can be driven from trackside by remote control an orange clad figure holding a remote control will save you having to add a driver figure. You mean he could sitting inside a hut to keep out of the rain and supping tea while he's driving it? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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