Prestonpast Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Hi guys I am currently planning a layout based on prestonpans in the early 1970s and was wondering if anyone has any information on any deltic or even other express coach formations that would have ran in this area during this time period, any help is appreciated. many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I'd recommend joining this group. Lots of information available including marshalling documents. https://brcoachingstock.groups.io/g/main/search?q=Section+f 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzler17 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 The model section of February 2012 edition of Rail Express had an article called Modellers guide to Deltic locomotive hauled trains There's a couple of copies of that mag on this site http://magazineexchange.co.uk/cw/rail-express-magazine-february-2012-issue.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestonpast Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Aire Head said: I'd recommend joining this group. Lots of information available including marshalling documents. https://brcoachingstock.groups.io/g/main/search?q=Section+f Thanks very much! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestonpast Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, guzzler17 said: The model section of February 2012 edition of Rail Express had an article called Modellers guide to Deltic locomotive hauled trains There's a couple of copies of that mag on this site http://magazineexchange.co.uk/cw/rail-express-magazine-february-2012-issue.html Thanks very much! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Prestonpast said: Hi guys I am currently planning a layout based on prestonpans in the early 1970s and was wondering if anyone has any information on any deltic or even other express coach formations that would have ran in this area during this time period, any help is appreciated. many thanks Presumably you are looking for essentially the Anglo-Scottish expresses? Depending on the exact year there were only 5 or 6 non-dated workings per day in the early 1970s, on a two-hour interval timetable. Extras (dated reliefs) augmented those mostly during the summer months. Formations would've been mostly Mk2A with Mk1 catering and full brakes until the latter half of 1971 when the air-con Mk2Ds appeared on Edinburgh diagrams. By the 1972 timetable change all the Anglo-Scottish diagrams were all Mk2D and an additional London/Edinburgh service was added each way taking the frequency to 6 trains per day. In 1973 significant accelerations were made by the remodelling of Peterborough and the time savings allowed a second Edinburgh service to be extended to Aberdeen giving the Granite City two through daytime trains to/from London. Formations varied depending on the service particularly in the early 1970s, where every working seemed to have its own unique formation. In the latter 1970s things were a bit more standardised from memory. If you've got a particular year in mind I can list some formations. Are you thinking of pre or post-air conditioning for instance? Edited November 27, 2021 by hexagon789 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 The ER was resolutely vac braked and steam heated except for the Mk2a and then Mk2d stock - ER Mk1 sleepers were mostly vb until withdrawal and why many dual heated locos (55, 47/4, 31/4) were allocated to ER depots. So for 1970's the mainline ER/ScR ab stock - suitable for Deltic haulage - we have:- 18 Mk1 RUO in the series 1020-1055, replaced by RSO (exFO) 1058-1070 from 1976 (last RUO wd in 79) Mk1 Griddle and bar car 1102-1105 and 1883 Mk1 RKB 1512, 1514-1525, 1547-1553 (although not all ER at the same time) 22 Mk1 RB/RBR in the series 1665-1699 (7 dual braked, all dual heated) plus 1760,1763 (both ae only) plus 1770 (ad). A smattering of Mk1RMB including 1874-1880 and 1882 Mk1 RU 1975-76, 1978-1990 (although not all ER at the same time) Mk1 FO - various but most r/n to RSO in 76 Mk2a (1968 onwards) BSO 9417-9433 TSO 5257-5300, 5346-5433 FK 13434-43443, 14464-14475 BFK 14056-14067, 14078-14103 Mk2b FK 13476-13486 Mk2d (1972 onwards) BSO 9479-9495 TSO 5619-5743 FO 3170-3188 FK 13562-13584 BFK 14139-14161 Mk2e TSO 5880-5908 FO 3264-3275 Mk2f TSO 5908-5935, 6100, 6108-6114, 6131-6170 FO 3418-3428 Plus several Mk1 BG (NEA/NEX) with B4 bogies in the 80500-81629 series. There was not a balanced fleet so you often got from N to S. BSO, TSOs, Mk1 catering car (with Kitchen), Mk1 RUO/RSO (seating only), FOs (Mk1 with MK2a 68-72), FKs, BFK. But the BSO may be omitted or replaced with a BG. There should be a brake van the the KX end so it was either a BFK or BG. The TTP/YP would have remained with vb brakes (BSK/BCK) until 1971 when ab; until withdrawal the formation varied but photos of both show BG, various PFP/PFK, Mk1RB or RU/RMB, Mk2d TSOs + BSO For secondary services to the coast etc you would have a mix of vac/steam Mk1s - ER did get some vb Mk2z later on but they seem to have gone to the Great Eastern section. Once HSTs started to come in and Deltics migrated to semi-fasts (York-KX) most of the BSO/BFK/FK were reallocated and the sets ended up being mostly TSOs/RBR/FOs (odd FK)/BG 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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