5050 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Some time ago I acquired this nicely scratch built Nickel Silver body from the estate of a deceased club member - but I'm not sure what it is actually supposed to represent. It could be completely freelance or some obscure actual prototype. Given the louvres on the 'bonnet' end I'm supposing it could be powered by an internal combustion engine although a grill would be more common. It has a slight 'flavour' of Sentinel about it or even the Atkinson-Walker loco, both of which are steam powered. In due course I may have a go at getting it working, probably with one of the High Level 4-wheel drive units but it would be nice to be able to know if it has a prototype. Please submit your ideas on its possible parentage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 A pic might help. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ruston said: A pic might help. You're right, very observant of you. Just trying to keep you on your toes.................. I sit back, awaiting all the erudite answers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 i'd say its freelance, its got a bit of Hawthorn Leslie petrol and a bit of Manning Wardle petrol 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson044 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 It looks cross! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Johnson044 said: It looks cross! It does, doesn't it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) It’s not the ex Clogher Valley Atkinson-Walker after it was sold to the County Donegal and fitted with a Diesel engine, is it? It doesn’t instantly feel ‘right’ for that, but I’d need to check. Edit: No. I go with Sir Douglas: Aw-W, M-W, H-L cross. Unless other evidence emerges. Edited December 3, 2021 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Orr, is it a Sentinel VBTG that I haven’t seen before? Maybe. I think if it was mine to finish, I’d certainly Sentinelise it. Edited December 3, 2021 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Apart from the grill at the front it looks Sentinel-ish. Difficult to see how it could be prototypical though. Why would someone go to all that trouble for a fantasy? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: Why would someone go to all that trouble for a fantasy? I would - for a GOOD fantasy................................ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 It might be based on a genuine, but very obscure, loco, maybe a sentinel that was converted to diesel by an industrial owner. It’s just that I’ve never seen a sentinel with whatever that is (a grille?) on the bonnet front, whereas many had them in the lower part of the cab, around the boiler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I have a copy of the new Sentinel book. But I’m away from home this weekend. I’ll try and remember to look when I get back. The round spectacles look wrong for most Sentinels. It’s not the CVR A-W later CDR ‘Phoenix’ but there is something of that loco about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: but there is something of that loco about it. Yes, it has round spectacles at one end, which is what made me think of it, but is otherwise highly unlike this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 hours ago, 5050 said: I would - for a GOOD fantasy................................ An erotic ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted December 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2021 Kerr Stuart internal combustion maybe, not my strength. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted December 4, 2021 Author Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Nearholmer said: whatever that is (a grille?) on the bonnet front, They're louvres which is what makes me think it is intended to represent an IC powered rather than steam loco. Thanks for all your ideas so far - but I'm still none the wiser! Edited December 4, 2021 by 5050 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted December 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2021 As well as the steam railcars for the LNER and others Clayton made a few locomotives as well. Could this be intended to represent one of those? I have not turned up a picture of one unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 The body shape is very Sentinel and a fair number did have round spectacles at that end of the cab, even if the ones at the other end were rectangular. But on a Sentinel of the type which is mostly cab (like this), the boiler would be in the cab and the lower part of the body would be the water tank. So the louvres are a puzzle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) On 03/12/2021 at 18:10, Johnson044 said: It looks cross! Like a dog that's lost it's bone....... It's got a look of K9 about it. Edited December 6, 2021 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted December 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2021 https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Im1955EnV199-p866a.jpg Found image of a Clayton one 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 It's definitely not a Manning Wardle petrol loco. They looked nothing like that and had a centre cab. It doesn't look like any Sentinel that I've seen, either. I say that it's freelance, inspired by an Atkinson Walker geared locomotive. The way one part of the bodywork is wider than the other, and has a large roof overhang, does remind me of these. Especially this one, with portholes in one end and squared windows in the other. https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/COUNTY-DONEGAL-RAILWAYS-JOINT-COMMITTEE/i-tmtX83x/A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Here is a Sentinel with round spectacles in one end and square in the other: apologies for the distortion, just a phone snap of a pic in the excellent new Sentinel book. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 And another of a different type: both among the hundreds of photos in this excellent book - get yours now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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