Moderators AY Mod Posted January 6, 2022 Moderators Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Any idea who's decoder is in them? Is it ESU/Zimo or a Hornby proprietary one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted January 10, 2022 Author Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, TomScrut said: Any idea who's decoder is in them? Is it ESU/Zimo or a Hornby proprietary one? No information was provided on that I'm afraid Tom. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stueyboy43 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Looking at the prices against standard versions I cannot see how it could be a full fat ESU or Zimo decoder 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Stueyboy43 said: Looking at the prices against standard versions I cannot see how it could be a full fat ESU or Zimo decoder Good point, I was thinking the uplift wasn't massive for what it brings. Edited January 10, 2022 by TomScrut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stueyboy43 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Yeah especially considering there is a smoke generator in there as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF96 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Chuffs better synched this time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinmore Manor Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, RAF96 said: Chuffs better synched this time. Only got 3 beats per revolution of the wheels... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Apologies if it's elsewhere but were there no new standalone TTS chips announced for this year ? Thanks Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyRule1 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The highlight for those looking for an oddity will be the R30225SS BR, Stanier 5MT 'Black 5' with 2-8-2 (sic) wheel configuration. https://uk.Hornby.com/products/br-stanier-5mt-black-5-4-6-0-44726-steam-generator-era-5-r30225ss 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium E100 Posted January 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2022 Very excited about this with the Black 5. Relatively aggressive pricing considering the aftermarket prices for such an installation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Apologies if i've missed it elsewhere as so much to read. Are they using the new Black 5 tooling for this or one of their older versions, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted January 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bilbo said: Apologies if i've missed it elsewhere as so much to read. Are they using the new Black 5 tooling for this or one of their older versions, Its completely new tooling. Simon K described it as "the ultimate" steam loco. Working headlamps too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Wonder how the headcode will be set on locomotives fitted with working lamps. Could they have developed a system to allow movable lamps with contacts in the lamp irons? Seems unlikely but will be interesting to watch for updates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) I could be wrong but it looks like the steam generator could be a simple (and cheap as chips) Piezo atomiser. Get a decoder to generate the correct frequency and you have pulsed "Steam". I wonder though how effective it will be in warm weather and what the steam would look like when viewed against a light coloured background. https://youtu.be/Mzb8sfLI_ZE?t=314 P Edited January 10, 2022 by Porcy Mane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Porcy Mane said: I could be wrong but it looks like the steam generator could be a simple (and cheap as chips) Piezo atomiser. Get a decoder to generate the correct frequency and you have pulsed "Steam". I wonder though how effective it will be in warm weather and what the steam would look like when viewed against a light coloured background. P Can you colour the water to be atomized or does it have to be pure ? Was thinking whether a diesel version could have nice dark clag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chrisr40 said: Can you colour the water to be atomized or does it have to be pure ? Was thinking whether a diesel version could have nice dark clag. Don't know the answer but I'd imagine any dyes or colouring would eventually gum up the piezo plate and discolour whatever the vapour landed on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 This wasn't a big surprise for those who watched the programmes on Yesterday. I'd hope that its water rather some expensive oil. If its and atomizer it could be good if like vaping they could do an aroma like the burnt coal, oil and steam that you get when you are next to a loco. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: I could be wrong but it looks like the steam generator could be a simple (and cheap as chips) Piezo atomiser. Get a decoder to generate the correct frequency and you have pulsed "Steam". I wonder though how effective it will be in warm weather and what the steam would look like when viewed against a light coloured background. https://youtu.be/Mzb8sfLI_ZE?t=314 P While I can see the drive to do this and include it as a step forwards Hornby's track record (pun intended) is that some of these are often done as including gimicks rather than anything that is much more detailed. The fact that the 'steam' comes from just the chimney will be one thing that is ok overall, and does seem to work in relation to the wheel revolution and chuff rate, but its not appearing from anywhere else. Perhaps, as I think, this is the start of including these as workable additions, so that you end up with something akin to the two german engines frequently shown on a You-tube clip that shows that when done fully this can work well. I can understand Hornby. Adding the working firebox light can be a step forwards so long as it works and is done right (Nothing that lights up the entire plate in the cab through light leaking), but I think overall this is a wish to move forwards by Hornby and counter the fact that competitors are looking for this next step too. It will mark the start of Steam DCC: the Next Generation, where sound, lights and possibly smoke comes as standard, so thus in the future everything else before it is open to be retooled and redone again. I would see this as a modern 'Merchant Navy' high spec game-changing moment, but that given what is included this might take some time and some working out before its accurate consistently. The price rise might make some stop and pause... just wanting DCC sound and lighting - which look to be available. Yet even with these as standard its a benchmark moment, opening the chance up for many to be retooled, but given whats on the market out there with DCC sound and lights already I can see many sticking with what they have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Himsworth Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Porcy Mane said: Don't know the answer but I'd imagine any dyes or colouring would eventually gum up the piezo plate and discolour whatever the vapour landed on. They could sell it as realistic smoke stains on bridges and things. Although I'm more worried about all the card bridges and brick paper going soggy... 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NoggintheNog Posted January 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2022 It operates in a very similar way to those offered by Broadway Limited in US outline stuff. They have their own decoder solution not available as an aftermarket at all, but perhaps are supplying Hornby? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NoggintheNog said: It operates in a very similar way to those offered by Broadway Limited in US outline stuff. And there is a UK based system: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv8jQrEcIAJrNbfnnVuPBAQ/videos Black Hat take note that on some installations the smoke is not just emitted from the chimney. Edited January 10, 2022 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkirby Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) It's a shame that Hornby's 'Attention to detail' didn't stretch as far as making sure the smokebox door was on correctly for a publicly film! Still I have seen far, far worse on a recent cable tv channel recently! (Yes, Readers Digest I am looking at you!) Neil Edited January 10, 2022 by neilkirby 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted January 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, NoggintheNog said: It operates in a very similar way to those offered by Broadway Limited in US outline stuff. They have their own decoder solution not available as an aftermarket at all, but perhaps are supplying Hornby? Given they have developed their own sound chip, is it likely to be inhouse? We may then eventually see it as an aftermarket offering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Given what Hornby want for the Flying Scotsman (Tm, etc) the Black 5 is a bit of a bargain*. I'm tempted, and it would be my only pre-order this year, but I'm put off by worrying how far the "December 2022" date will slip, and how much the price will increase between now and eventual delivery. * Relatively speaking. I mean, £250 for a 4-6-0, even with sound and steam effect... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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