RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 14, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, phil gollin said: . There's a Pierce and Crump coach (Bedford OB) noted, but I can't see any W & U coach, it doesn't form part of the train pack. . But Rapido are producing it and it appears that it is going to be very popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: But Rapido are producing it and it appears that it is going to be very popular. This is the Hornby thread though..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 14, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2022 27 minutes ago, phil gollin said: . There's a Pierce and Crump coach (Bedford OB) noted, but I can't see any W & U coach, it doesn't form part of the train pack. . The model bus fraternity are complaining 'Not another Bedford OB' but that is the vehicle that appeared in the film. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, phil gollin said: . Are Hornby actually convinced that they will be producing an "inspired by" Titfield Thunderbolt train pack ? I received their catalogue this afternoon, and was first surprised to note that Lion/Titfield Thunderbolt wasn't on the cover, then I eventually found it taking up one-half of a page (p.45). As for Lion (or whatever) I could see no separate listing. Very weird for a model making such a lot of "news". . Maybe because there are other items in the catalogue and/or announcement? I believe some people do actually like those electric kettle things.... Personally I reckon Turbomotive is the biggest deal. Maybe I'm in a group of one! Jason 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 14, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2022 53 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Personally I reckon Turbomotive is the biggest deal. Maybe I'm in a group of one! Something a little uncomfortable about modelling a loco with such a Harrowing destruction. 1 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 29 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Something a little uncomfortable about modelling a loco with such a Harrowing destruction. Though that was after the locomotive had been rebuilt to a conventional format I believe. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Something a little uncomfortable about modelling a loco with such a Harrowing destruction. Whilst I sympathise, I'm afraid I don't have sentimentality about such things. Especially one that happened years before I was born. Where do we stop? No Rocket as it killed Huskisson No Sir Nigel Gresley. A crew member died when coupling up a few years ago. A few other preserved locomotives have been in accidents. 5025 definitely. No Titanic models or films. No warships, tanks or war planes. No playing with soldiers. No space shuttles or Concorde. As long as people aren't modelling the actual disasters to provoke people then I can't see a problem. Jason 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Oldddudders said: with such a Harrowing destruction Was this pun intentional? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 14, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Something a little uncomfortable about modelling a loco with such a Harrowing destruction. It had recently been rebuilt into a Coronation/Princess hybrid with the name Princess Anne, that was the loco that got destroyed at Harrow. Jubilee, 45637 Windward Isles also got scrapped. The other pacific (46242 City of Glasgow) looked worse after the accident but was rebuilt. This year is 70 years since the accident (8 October 1952), I wonder whether there will be some sort of remembrance of it? 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Horrocks Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 So by this standard, if Bachmann want to paint a Hall red, release it with a few maroon Mark 1s and say it’s “Inspired by Harry Potter”, they can expect Hornby to be fine with that? 7 1 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard 5374 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Jon Horrocks said: So by this standard, if Bachmann want to paint a Hall red, release it with a few maroon Mark 1s and say it’s “Inspired by Harry Potter”, they can expect Hornby to be fine with that? Hornby would likely be fine, but I am sure Warner Bros would do what we think StudioCanal will likely do in regard to Hornby and Rapido. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted January 15, 2022 Author Moderators Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vanguard 5374 said: Hornby would likely be fine I very much doubt it and I don't understand why you think they would. They would be straight on the phone to WB and say "We thought we had an exclusive licence etc, etc'. And rightly so. So you've killed off your own viewpoint made earlier in the topic and can hopefully understand this issue, even if you have partisan inclinations. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard 5374 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, AY Mod said: I very much doubt it and I don't understand why you think they would. They would be straight on the phone to WB and say "We thought we had an exclusive licence etc, etc'. And rightly so. So you've killed off your own viewpoint made earlier in the topic and can hopefully understand this issue, even if you have partisan inclinations. I say they would be fine as this is what they have done to Rapido, if they kick up a fuss surely it’s exactly as they have done to Rapido. It’s not like Bachmann as a company haven’t already kind of done this, look at the North Pole Set the US arm have produced and tell me it isn’t a rip off to The Polar Express, even down to livery and execution. Bachmann have tooling for the locomotive but I guess that’s cutting it too close. https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/north-pole-express-train-set/00751 Given Lionel hold the rights to producing the HO scale Polar Express, I wonder what their views were to this set? Clearly inspired by but not quite infringing? I note here locomotive livery application, number on locomotive, coach livery, observation coach on rear of train, name on tender (North Pole Express/Polar Express) Edited January 15, 2022 by Vanguard 5374 Adding details 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted January 15, 2022 Author Moderators Share Posted January 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, Vanguard 5374 said: I say they would be fine as this is what they have done to Rapido, if they kick up a fuss surely it’s exactly as they have done to Rapido You're not even making sense now, you're contradicting yourself in one sentence. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted January 15, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, Vanguard 5374 said: say they would be fine as this is what they have done to Rapido, if they kick up a fuss surely it’s exactly as they have done to Rapido. However, the relevant legislation doesn’t operate on the basis of “two wrongs make a right”, just as it doesn’t operate - as another poster said earlier - on the basis of what the general public might regard as “common sense”, or “what I reckon”. Richard T 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldomtom2 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Vanguard 5374 said: I say they would be fine as this is what they have done to Rapido, if they kick up a fuss surely it’s exactly as they have done to Rapido. It’s not like Bachmann as a company haven’t already kind of done this, look at the North Pole Set the US arm have produced and tell me it isn’t a rip off to The Polar Express, even down to livery and execution. Bachmann have tooling for the locomotive but I guess that’s cutting it too close. https://www.Bachmann.co.uk/product/north-pole-express-train-set/00751 Given Lionel hold the rights to producing the HO scale Polar Express, I wonder what their views were to this set? Clearly inspired by but not quite infringing? I note here locomotive livery application, number on locomotive, coach livery, observation coach on rear of train, name on tender (North Pole Express/Polar Express) The difference is Bachmann's product isn't the Polar Express, while Hornby's product is explicitly the Titfield Thunderbolt. If they'd produced something like the Bitfield Blunderbolt... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadnerd Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Jon Horrocks said: So by this standard, if Bachmann want to paint a Hall red, release it with a few maroon Mark 1s and say it’s “Inspired by Harry Potter”, they can expect Hornby to be fine with that? But they already did that with "Hogwarts Express" on it, so licences weren't exclusive. Everyone has done a Hogwarts Express. Rapido say their license for TT is exclusive. And Hornby's fudge seems to show they don't now have a licence. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Sadnerd said: But they already did that with "Hogwarts Express" on it, so licences weren't exclusive. Everyone has done a Hogwarts Express. Yes, Bachmann USA had a license to sell a "Hogwarts Express" set in the US. Lionel had a license for an "O" gauge version in the US. Bachmann USA also had the license to sell Thomas the Tank Engine products in the US while Hornby had a license to sell Thomas the Tank Engine products in the UK. Now that Hornby has let that license lapse, Bachmann UK has the rights to sell their Thomas and FriendsTM product line in the UK. Not all licenses are necessarily exclusive and some may be regionally exclusive. What is clear is that Rapido UK has stated they have an exclusive Titfield Thunderbolt license and that makes it different from the other examples. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Vanguard 5374 said: It’s not like Bachmann as a company haven’t already kind of done this, look at the North Pole Set the US arm have produced and tell me it isn’t a rip off to The Polar Express, even down to livery and execution. Bachmann have tooling for the locomotive but I guess that’s cutting it too close. (My emphasis.) It's hard to defend the number "1225" (Christmas in mmdd format) as being a violation of IP. The movie based the locomotive on a 1941, Lima 2-8-4 Berkshire built for the Pere Marquette. (Illustrations in the book are to me a little more ambiguous though the author/illustrator definitely based the illustrations on the Lima Berkshire from his childhood memories.) Quote I remember that train on campus,...I can't believe it's the same train! I climbed on that train. I actually stood on it. Some Lionel sets use Berkshire tooling. Some cheaper ones use a 2-6-2. (There are also battery powered 2-8-2s.) The Bachmann North Pole Express is a 2-6-2. 1225 operates the "North Pole Express" out of Owosso, MI. Promotional video here. Edited January 15, 2022 by Ozexpatriate 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted January 15, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2022 Watching Train of Events on Talking Pictures TV. Features a rebuilt Royal Scot driven by Jack Warner. Maybe another one for Hornby's "inspired by" range? Though maybe not - its another StudioCanal film... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 15, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2022 I'm all for Brief Encounter, as some LMS Period 1 non-corridor carriages would be really useful; Hornby already have the standard 57 ft underframe and the Stanier 4P 2-6-4T. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 15, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Sadnerd said: But they already did that with "Hogwarts Express" on it, so licences weren't exclusive. Everyone has done a Hogwarts Express. Rapido say their license for TT is exclusive. And Hornby's fudge seems to show they don't now have a licence. You don't seem to have any clue about how licencing works! A company will usually licence Intellectual Property on a region or country by country basis - not an 'Entire World' basis. As such Bachmann have the rights from Warner Bros to sell Harry Potter merchandise in many places round the world - but NOT in the UK. Equally Hornby cannot start importing their HP sets into north America as they don't have the necessary WB rights there. This approach will generally bring in more revenue for the IP holder as companies compete to secure the rights, it also sidesteps allegations of creating a worldwide monopoly on merchandising and help keep the business regulators at bay. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldomtom2 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I am fairly certain Hornby now have the US rights to HP train sets - a quick search on the US Amazon for "Hornby" brings back a HP train set packaged with a US transformer as one of the top results... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, eldomtom2 said: I am fairly certain Hornby now have the US rights to HP train sets Saucy. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 It is possible Bachmann have let their Hogwarts license expire - a search of the Bachmann US website shows no Hogwarts products listed. Given that Harry Potter is fading into the past that wouldn't be a surprise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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