RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Harris should have stuck to singing rather than trying to translate info from Donny works where stuff wasn't built to the plans anyway. Anita couldn't help getting some things wrong so we must forgive her. Anyway, for a change we can have a laugh at the Drake's expense (and no, it is nothing to do with a certain event at 18.00 at Home Park. By 20.00/30 the Drake could be a broken foul). Having forgotten to go to bed last evening, I was, at far too late an hour, checking through the Cambian Kits website as I had f***d up a Cambrian Walrus bogie by trying to be too clever by using a nice brass etch instead of the kit bogie fitting (plastic moulding and is absolutely fine). Having made up the etches and hacked the supplied plastic mouldings, I realised that the ride height was going to be incorrect if used with the kit's bogie mounting plate. Ar$e I quacked! Now, I could have fettled some sort of new fitting but I also then broke one of the etches (my solder joint snapped) as I was trying to increase the original hole size in the etch top (presumably where the bolt would go for a 'new' fitting?) to accommodate the existing kit bogie mounting. Cutting a far too long a story short, I emailed Cambrian pleading as to whether I could obtain bogie fittings, without looking too carefully and then, of course, found that they very sensibly supply bogies for their Engineers' Wagons as a separate item! Doh! Now all I have to do is order some more. However, do I order one and use that and the etched one I have manaed to modify with hours of reaming, or do I buy two replacement plastic ones and store the remaining etched one? No brainer as some young people insist on saying..................... So, coaches........nice friendly items. Wagons......pah! I must point out though that the bogie mounting etches will work fine if in the hands of someone that has a brain and has remembered how they are adapted to fit a Cambrian Walrus. Co coo ca chu. Gilbert related bit..........................is that bloke with the blue trousers and a stick thingy a new person on the platform end, or have I just been not looking properly over the last two years or so? Personally I want to see the return of the Donny Hot Pants gang Quack Edited May 15, 2016 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 15, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2016 Harris should have stuck to singing rather than trying to translate info from Donny works where stuff wasn't built to the plans anyway. Anita couldn't help getting some things wrong so we must forgive her. Anyway, for a change we can have a laugh at the Drake's expense (and no, it is nothing to do with a certain event at 18.00 at Home Park. By 20.00/30 the Drake could be a broken foul). Having forgotten to go to bed last evening, I was, at far too late an hour, checking through the Cambian Kits website as I had f***d up a Cambrian Walrus bogie by trying to be too clever by using a nice brass etch instead of the kit bogie fitting (plastic moulding and is absolutely fine). Having made up the etches and hacked the supplied plastic mouldings, I realised that the ride height was going to be incorrect if used with the kit's bogie mounting plate. Ar$e I quacked! Now, I could have fettled some sort of new fitting but I also then broke one of the etches (my solder joint snapped) as I was trying to increase the original hole size in the etch top (presumably where the bolt would go for a 'new' fitting?) to accommodate the existing kit bogie mounting. Cutting a far too long a story short, I emailed Cambrian pleading as to whether I could obtain bogie fittings, without looking too carefully and then, of course, found that they very sensibly supply bogies for their Engineers' Wagons as a separate item! Doh! Now all I have to do is order some more. However, do I order one and use that and the etched one I have manaed to modify with hours of reaming, or do I buy two replacement plastic ones and store the remaining etched one? No brainer as some young people insist on saying..................... So, coaches........nice friendly items. Wagons......pah! I must point out though that the bogie mounting etches will work fine if in the hands of someone that has a brain and has remembered how they are adapted to fit a Cambrian Walrus. Co coo ca chu. Gilbert related bit..........................is that bloke with the blue trousers and a stick thingy a new person on the platform end, or have I just been not looking properly over the last two years or so? Personally I want to see the return of the Donny Hot Pants gang Quack He be a wheel tapper Phil, but he isn't going to tap much standing over there, is he? And yes, he arrived recently. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted May 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2016 That's a very tasty D10c old bean. May I presume upon you to take a pic of the roof so that I might see wot you dun to get it looking so tidy? AFAICS the roof arrangements were more or less the same on the D144s. Phil Phil/ Gilbert, I've now had time to get the big camera out and take some decent fots. Unfortunately this shows up my slightly dodgy workmanship (3ft rule applies!), but I hope it gives you a clear view of (my interpretation of) the roof layout. I borrowed heavily on a discussion on LNER Forum as below: http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7030&p=63787&hilit=further+d10c+restaurant+car+question#p63787 This has some useful roof diagrams posted by Mike Trice, but there is still some interpretation especially as it seems to have changed post war. Let me know if you conclude something different to me. Cheers Andy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 16, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2016 Three down, one to go. 54 holes of golf played in three days, just 18 to go today. Yesterday though I played with our Captain, the last 18 of the 72 holes he played in a day for charity. Started at 0440, and finsihed at 1915, fantastic effort. Mind you, he is a few years younger than me. One of my mates used an app a while back to find out how far he walked during a game of golf, the result being 6.2 miles, so our Captain walked 25 miles yesterday, and hit the ball 367 times. He did say his feet hurt though. Just time for a couple of images before I head off to Derbyshire. We are still with the man up the pole, who keeps his camera pointed to the North, and sees a Boston- Peterborough East goods behind a 40F K2. And again the chap down below obliges with a close up. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 (edited) Phil/ Gilbert, I've now had time to get the big camera out and take some decent fots. Unfortunately this shows up my slightly dodgy workmanship (3ft rule applies!), but I hope it gives you a clear view of (my interpretation of) the roof layout. I borrowed heavily on a discussion on LNER Forum as below: http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7030&p=63787&hilit=further+d10c+restaurant+car+question#p63787 This has some useful roof diagrams posted by Mike Trice, but there is still some interpretation especially as it seems to have changed post war. Let me know if you conclude something different to me. Cheers Andy Thanks matey. That is so kind of you to take the time to do that. It confirms most things but really helps, especially with those pipes. Still can't identify the 'slightly dodgy' parts though. Are you sure you fitted them ? Love the innards too. First sausages; are they inside or ouside fitted Andy? Phil Edited May 16, 2016 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Thanks matey. That is so kind of you to take the time to do that. It confirms most things but really helps, especially with those pipes. Still can't identify the 'slightly dodgy' parts though. Are you sure you fitted them ? Love the innards too. First sausages; are they inside or ouside fitted Andy? Phil Outside fitted - Inside is far too fidlly for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ahem. Reluctant as I am to seem to decry anyone's work - and that is a very fine carriage - the window between the kitchen door and the toilet on the kitchen side is the attendant's compartment and should be clear. One here from Larry, post #1881, which puts all of ours to shame as you'd expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ahem. Reluctant as I am to seem to decry anyone's work - and that is a very fine carriage - the window between the kitchen door and the toilet on the kitchen side is the attendant's compartment and should be clear. One here from Larry, post #1881, which puts all of ours to shame as you'd expect. Wasn't that dependent on period? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Wasn't that dependent on period? Only if you're female... (ducks inbound brickbats due to politically incorrect comment) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Only if you're female... (ducks inbound brickbats due to politically incorrect comment) I didn't think it was "politically incorrect", just crass, and not what I'd expect from someone with your user name. Retreats to suck lemons, waiting to be accused of having no sense of humour, and to be told that it was just a joke, love... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Wasn't that dependent on period? Quite possible and since my modelling era peters out in the 1950s (and my knowledge of ECML is firmly prewar) I'm very happy to be corrected and proffer apology if that is the case. It is one of the things I notice, though, having built one and I can't ever remember seeing a picture of one with that window whitened over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Outside fitted - Inside is far too fidlly for me! What brand as I will need them as I'm a fiddler too. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ahem. Reluctant as I am to seem to decry anyone's work - and that is a very fine carriage - the window between the kitchen door and the toilet on the kitchen side is the attendant's compartment and should be clear. One here from Larry, post #1881, which puts all of ours to shame as you'd expect. I'm also suspicious that it might have been a droplight as I am sure I have seen a pic of the real thing with that window partly open.............however, you all know about what I think I've seen, ahhem! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 16, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ahem. Reluctant as I am to seem to decry anyone's work - and that is a very fine carriage - the window between the kitchen door and the toilet on the kitchen side is the attendant's compartment and should be clear. One here from Larry, post #1881, which puts all of ours to shame as you'd expect. Actually, I am now the proud and fortunate owner of that RC of Larrys. I can remember Tony Wright taking me to task about one of mine, and saying the attendant's window should be clear, even in BR days. Logic would dictate surely that if there was a need for the attendant to be able to see outside in LNER days the same need would exist post war? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Actually, I am now the proud and fortunate owner of that RC of Larrys. I can remember Tony Wright taking me to task about one of mine, and saying the attendant's window should be clear, even in BR days. Logic would dictate surely that if there was a need for the attendant to be able to see outside in LNER days the same need would exist post war? I actually looked at that picture on Tony's forum and decided that the drop light was down! Thanks for the correction - easily fixed. Phil, the first class sausages are from Modelmaster (ref 4430). I find them easy to fit and pretty robust. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 I actually looked at that picture on Tony's forum and decided that the drop light was down! Thanks for the correction - easily fixed. Phil, the first class sausages are from Modelmaster (ref 4430). I find them easy to fit and pretty robust. Andy While we're talking about whited out windows, can anyone give me a definitive answer on when windows were white, and when they were frosted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 16, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Gilbert, do you have any of that particular Modelmaster set? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 16, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2016 Gilbert, do you have any of that particular Modelmaster set? Phil I think so Phil, but I think I also bought some double sided ones so that they could be fixed on the inside as they should be. I'm a trifle fatigued just now, but I'll search through my tip, I mean modelling desk, in the morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 16, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2016 One more quick image before I head for bed. Following on behind the K2 comes another coal train, one of the first of the overnight procession to the capital. I actually found an exposure which gave me enough contrast to be able to remove the grey from under the bridge without losing everything else around it. It would be really nice if I could remember what it was. To bed, tired, but happy. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Gilbert - all the exposure information ( f-stop, shutterspeed, etc) will be in the jpeg file's EXIF data. In this instance: Cheers Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Morning Gent's. Would someone please explain what is being referred to as "Sausages" on that Coach ? Because the words Restaurant Car and Sausages together in my mind just mean ......well breakfast. All the Best Edited May 17, 2016 by The Blue Streak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Herbert Nigel Posted May 17, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2016 Morning Gent's.Would someone please explain what is being referred to as "Sausages" on that Coach ? Because the words Restaurant Car and Sausages together in my mind just mean ......well breakfast. Check the "class" indication in the windows. It causes CK to suffer hunger pangs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Check the "class" indication in the windows. It causes CK to suffer hunger pangs! The tiny blue signs ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Ok chaps, I'm v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y getting there. Next Question if I may please - What does it say? Andy - I hope it was ok to use a snippet of your picture, if not let me know and shall remove it. Cheers Ted Edited May 17, 2016 by The Blue Streak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 It says 'FIRST'. Modelmaster, the HMRS and (my preference) Precision Decals all offer these. They make a surprising difference to the appearance of a carriage (along with the red triangle 'No Smoking' notices) for something so small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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