Peterborough North

[PaulCheffus]

On 07/11/2019 at 22:13, great northern said:

The lovely part of Lincolnshire in which you are so privileged to live, has, statistically one of the lowest annual rainfalls in the country. It's just that you happen to be getting a lot of it at once. My Dad was a drainage engineer, so I know that, you see.

Hi

 

From the weather station in my back garden about 3 miles from Clive as the crow flies. June 2019 was very wet but most of the time its not too bad.

 

 

Cheers

 

Paul

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, PaulCheffus said:

Hi

 

From the weather station in my back garden about 3 miles from Clive as the crow flies. June 2019 was very wet but most of the time its not too bad.

 

 

Cheers

 

Paul

Yes but no but yes but no but....Paul lives uphill to me. The first contour line on an OS map of our area goes through the local Co-op and that is a good five miles inland. See we get the run off form where Paul lives, and the Wolds.

The overflowing dyke at the bottom of our land in June.

No I am not going any further and have the water go over me boots.

 

[great northern]

My dad said that annual rainfall in Lincs was always between 18 and 24 inches per annum, which was far less than further west. However, I well remember that in the mid to late 50s he was often called out at night to flooding crises, including some in the city of Lincoln itself. They did a lot of work to remedy that, but the water then has to go somewhere else, and as there seems to be so much more of it now, problems abound.

[StephenB]

I spent my entire working trying to deal with all aspects of flooding, both river and tidal. I say trying because it is virtually an insoluble problem. Sort out one person's problem and you invariably make another worse. People are the real problem, trying to live and work where they shouldn't. I have had a house flooded so I know what people are going through.

 

Stephen

[great northern]

Here we have Prince of Wales, stopping to pick up passengers only, waiting for all of them to board before continuing North.

 

 

 

After it has left, 43084 arrives from Kings Lynn.

 

 

[great northern]

Another small experiment for your opinions please. Most of the view in the distance from Crescent Bridge was of the end of the Nene carriage sidings, so when I found a view which looked vaguely similar I decided to mess about with it. This is actually the North end of Doncaster, but with a very tight crop it looks suitably neutral.

 

The train is the 5.00pm slow from KX, and the loco 60109, which appeared on it quite regularly in the summer of 58.

 

 

 

I also tried this in black and white and with a tighter crop.

 

 

 

Obviously, a lot more would need to be done, but I think this looks better than the previous attempt. Over to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[31A]

It maybe looks better as a background; it seems to be the kind of background view that looks OK from different angles without the perspective being wrong, but it's a pity to lose the distinctive power station.  Would you be able to keep the power station view to the right and use the new picture to extend the backscene to the left?  Looking south from the real Peterborough station the lines rise to the Nene bridge which is effectively on the skyline; I don't think buildings to the south are really visible?  

[FarrMan]

18 hours ago, StephenB said:

I spent my entire working trying to deal with all aspects of flooding, both river and tidal. I say trying because it is virtually an insoluble problem. Sort out one person's problem and you invariably make another worse. People are the real problem, trying to live and work where they shouldn't. I have had a house flooded so I know what people are going through.

 

Stephen

Stephen

 

I thoroughly agree. Living on a flood plane and excessive impermeable surfaces is asking for trouble. If you choose to live there, have a house that will float.

 

Lloyd

[FarrMan]

Gilbert

 

New backscene looks better than nothing, and in that sense looks good. Losing the power station though is not realistic. I can't remember what could be seen in the distance beyond Crescent Bridge except for the power station, but after the river bridge it was embankment over Oundle Road and then, I think in cutting under London Road. I am inclined to agree with 31A.

 

Lloyd

[Fat Controller]

On 10/11/2019 at 11:48, BMacdermott said:

Hello Gilbert and everyone

 

Trains Illustrated May and June 1958 contain a 2-part article entitled Day-Trip to Grimsby which might be useful.

 

The subjects of Fish Trains and Milk Trains are crying out for books to be written.

 

Brian

David Larkin has written a couple of books on Non-Passenger Carrying Coaching Stock, which are worth looking out for. Volume 2, in particular, has a lot of photos of passenger-rated stock for fish and milk workings.

'Blue Spot' stock was drawn from BR-built vans , built to a BR design that was based on an earlier LNER type. All were fitted with roller-bearings. The fleet totalled some 500 vehicles. Next down the 'pecking order' were the LNER-designed 12'6" and 15' wheelbase Insulated Fish Vans, then the non-insulated stock. Right at the bottom were various minerals used to carry fish offal for cat food.

[great northern]

Let's go back to the prototype, while remembering that in this area my layout is nowhere near being prototypically accurate. Here is a lovely photo, copyright of Andrew C Ingram, and not to be further reproduced please. In its own right, it is one of my very favourite PN images, but also very helpful in assessing what would/could be seen looking south.

 

This must, I think, have been taken from Crescent Bridge.

 

 

So, from right to left we have the chord down to East station, then the carriage sidings, and from this angle, behind them is the chute across to the power station. The power station itself is still off scene further left, so I think it would not be in view when looking under the bridge.

 

We also have to factor in my totally incorrect, but operationally vital, sharp curve, which means that the power station would be on the inside of that curve, not the outside. That's why I'm thinking that the end of the carriage sidings is as close as I can get to the real thing, possibly with the start of the chute positioned behind, and one or two brickworks chimneys, as in the image above. Then somehow a mist of steam across the whole thing would be even better. How to do it? Suggestions welcome.

 

Anyway, over to you again. This photo, incidentally, got Tony Wright very animated, as the fifth car in the Scotsman is a kitchen car, which is not shown in any of the official formations for the train. It is definitely summer of 58, we are agreed, so should my Scotsman include a RK?  I think not, as this may have been a one off, and I prefer to stick with the everyday.

[FarrMan]

Gilbert

 

Looking at the photo of the prototype, from under Crescent bridge you would not see further than the carriage sidings/power station, due to the way the land lies, and most of the power station would be hidden, so only the chute to the power station might be visible. From the station area itself, I think you would see very little beyond Crescent Bridge as the bridge itself would be in the way. This would apply even more the nearer you were to Spital Bridge. How do you think a backscene with the power station chute at the extreme left end to compromise between its true position and the unprototype (but essential) curve on the main line, and fill the rest of the space with Nene Sidings, probably increased in number to balance the other compromise. You would only need sky above the sidings and chute, and I am sure that you can produce a suitable smoke effect from the brickworks not much further South that hung over that area.

 

At that end of the station, I was more familiar with River Lane, which ran down the down side of the line to the river, and was generally lower than track level. It was a favorite short cut of mine to the river bridge - except when the river flooded.

 

Thanks again for sharing this wonderful model, and so much information, with us.

 

Lloyd

[31A]

When I said "power station" earlier, I really should have said the chute that used to cross the lines to feed it.  I agree with Lloyd, the actual power station itself would probably not be visible.

[great northern]

Cold wet and windy again today. When will it end?   Not like that in 1958 of course, and Hermit has crept just a little closer.

 

 

That backscene looks nearly not too bad. The next image though has no backscene, as is painfully obvious from this height.

 

 

[great northern]

Back to a more normal viewpoint for a last look at 60109 and 43084.

 

 

The Ivatt had to remove its stock smartish, as the next local was on its way, this one coming from Grantham.

 

 

[jwealleans]

Hmmmm.  Nasty flat on that leading bogie.  I bet that's been uncomfortable.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, jwealleans said:

Hmmmm.  Nasty flat on that leading bogie.  I bet that's been uncomfortable.

Why do I never spot these things?  I'm sure it ran OK into the station when I moved it on. Do I have gremlins?

[jwealleans]

You may have a trailing point which guided it back on. 

[great northern]

1 hour ago, jwealleans said:

You may have a trailing point which guided it back on. 

I think I've found the gremlin. It's me. Quite often I drive a train to where I think I want it for a photo, only to find something sticking out of the chimney or a similar problem when I look through the viewfinder. Then, when I want to move the train a little, I discover that the controller is the other side of the baseboard. Being idle, rather than ducking under to get it, I push the train by hand. This causes derailments. Simples.

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

I think I've found the gremlin. It's me. Quite often I drive a train to where I think I want it for a photo, only to find something sticking out of the chimney or a similar problem when I look through the viewfinder. Then, when I want to move the train a little, I discover that the controller is the other side of the baseboard. Being idle, rather than ducking under to get it, I push the train by hand. This causes derailments. Simples.

The hand of Loki strikes again.

 

 

 

Loki was a mischievous god who could shape-shift and can take up animalistic forms.

[great northern]

5 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

The hand of Loki strikes again.

 

 

 

Loki was a mischievous god who could shape-shift and can take up animalistic forms.

Oh I see...... kind of Loki what's happened now.

[great northern]

Next to appear is a J6, returning tender first with the Holme pick up.

 

 

It is followed a few minutes later by Copley Hill's A1 Kittiwake, with the 6.10 West Riding FO relief. I thought we would have the whole span of the bridge this time.

 

 

Today there has been no rain. Tomorrow though there is another yellow warning for about twelve hours of it.

[St Enodoc]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

Next to appear is a J6, returning tender first with the Holme pick up.

 

 

It is followed a few minutes later by Copley Hill's A1 Kittiwake, with the 6.10 West Riding FO relief. I thought we would have the whole span of the bridge this time.

 

 

Today there has been no rain. Tomorrow though there is another yellow warning for about twelve hours of it.

Yellow rain? Is that anything like yellow snow?

[Tony Wright]

20 hours ago, great northern said:

I think I've found the gremlin. It's me. Quite often I drive a train to where I think I want it for a photo, only to find something sticking out of the chimney or a similar problem when I look through the viewfinder. Then, when I want to move the train a little, I discover that the controller is the other side of the baseboard. Being idle, rather than ducking under to get it, I push the train by hand. This causes derailments. Simples.

Good morning Gilbert,

 

I can see now why you were an excellent prosecutor/defender in your professional career. 

 

Does pushing trains by hand result in pairs of artics riding at different angles to each other?

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[great northern]

9 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Yellow rain? Is that anything like yellow snow?

We also have amber rain, and even red, but fortunately those are rare.