RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted April 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2020 A bit late now, but regarding your comment on the wonky headboard A1 shot, if I may make so bold - you don't want to be getting the loco in the centre of the shot, but obey the 'Rule of Thirds'. I can't decide if the Claud or the B12 win the good looker award, never mind those oddly proportioned B17 things. The Claud is sublime, it wins - decision! surely two of Hornby's best models, enhanced by Tim. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 3, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2020 Deltic time folks, the usual early KX-Doncaster working. I may have found some front end detailing parts, but have not yet worked out where they go. Rumbling away and deafening the spotters next. 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Sunny here so far, so I may be able to run trains and take photos instead of clearing up the mess under the baseboards. We are now on photos taken last Sunday, commencing with KX B1 61200 taking fish empties back to Hull. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 A slightly frustrating morning, so I took myself off up to play with trains. The light is absolutely perfect at this time of day, and the trains are co-operating as well, so my mood is greatly improved. Tea break now, but I shall be back up there shortly. Another B1 image to celebrate. One of our local shabby ones with the Up Doncaster parliamentary. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 On 03/04/2020 at 09:31, great northern said: Two more looks at that lovely well cleaned B12, as it sets off towards Norwich. Actually, I am now quite intrigued. What route would it take to get there? My public timetable is for 1957, and the train is not shown as running that year. The 1958 WTT only takes me as far as East. According to my 1960 public timetable there were two through trains a day between Peterborough and Norwich. The first was the 9.43 From East , which called at March, then Lakenheath and all stations except Heathersett, so no Ely stop. The other was the Birmingham - Norwich which called at East, departing 6.50pm , then all stations to March, thereafter appears to have gone non stop to Thetford then Norwich, so again no Ely stop although there seems to have been a connecting DMU Service to Ely . Hope this helps . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 By 1960 these trains appear to have gone over to DMUs. The Cambridge services certainly had. I suspect the starting of the morning Norwich train from North may have been a one off experiment, perhaps only for the 58 summer timetable. I can't find it in any of the other public timetables I have. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Lots more photos taken, as I got carried away by the lovely light available. So, here is a man heading for his train. 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 I'm still puzzling over the way the official coach formations book shows things. So far as I am aware, the LNER had two diagrams of corridor third/second, Dia 155 for Gresley stock, and Dia 329 for Thompson. Both had seven compartments, and seated 42 people. The book normally just shows SK(7), but in some cases also the symbol for a transverse corridor car, ie Dia 329. The vast majority of specific indications for transverse corridor cars occur on Saturdays only trains, and I had rather naively assumed that if that indication wasn't there, a Dia 155 was required. However, having checked and thought again, I believe I have got that wrong. If the seating is identical, as it is, why would it be deemed necessary to specify a particular diagram? The only reason I can think of, which might account for the vast majority being specified for Saturdays, would be that transverse corridor cars would take less time for passengers to get on or off, which would be important at peak times. I believe that is why all door stock was generally allocated to the West Riding trains, and end door to the Newcastle/Scottish ones. One more puzzle is that on a few occasions the symbol for an end door car appears beside a 7:42 car. But why would it be necessary to do that? Weren't all seven compartment thirds/seconds end door vehicles anyway? I must be missing something. Can any of our former railwaymen, or anyone else for that matter, assist me with this? If most of the time either Gresley or Thompson stock was correct, it would make my life a lot easier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 hours ago, great northern said: By 1960 these trains appear to have gone over to DMUs. The Cambridge services certainly had. I suspect the starting of the morning Norwich train from North may have been a one off experiment, perhaps only for the 58 summer timetable. I can't find it in any of the other public timetables I have. The 1960 timetable indicates which services were planned for DMUs. Both the East - Norwich and Birmingham- Norwich were apparently loco hauled, although it’s quite possible that by then it was by Brush Type 2’s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) On 03/04/2020 at 14:09, great northern said: Yours is more end of steam condition Peter, when all pretence at anything but essential maintenance had been abandoned. In the 50s I can't remember seeing much in the way of rust and other stuff of that sort. It was just a gradual accumulation of coats of grime, and that's what the photos of Sunderland and many other engines show. Some had streaks of limescale from priming too, but that's about all. My recollection is the same. I can’t really comment on the 50’s but as I recall Top Shed did a fairly decent job to the end. I think a lot of modellers overdo the rust. I agree also about limescale. A few locos had limescale streaks but not all that many , as I recall. Edited April 4, 2020 by jazzer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, jazzer said: The 1960 timetable indicates which services were planned for DMUs. Both the East - Norwich and Birmingham- Norwich were apparently loco hauled, although it’s quite possible that by then it was by Brush Type 2’s. Unfortunately by that time there were no B12s, and only one D16, and it didn't do much work. March had three B17s till June 60, and two of them were on shed in steam when I visited that May, but I think you're right, Brush 2s are most likely to have been used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 4, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 Evening photos now. We have another angle on the New England B1. and a 9F negotiating the dog's leg curve from the south. I can just about get away with this angle if I show it in black and white. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 That must have been unusual for a B1 to be at just one shed from its arrival New in June 1947 until Withdrawal on 28th December 1963. 61207 @ New England. I don't know of another B1 like that,however I am sure somebody will know of others. Keep Safe. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 5, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 A beautiful morning, and warmth to come. Something to lift the spirits. Back at PN, we have another look at the 9F, nearly home from Ferme Park with a mixed goods. While in number 4 bay, D11 Marne is waiting to take the 1010 to Grimsby. 32 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 G'day Folks SNAP manna 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 5, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 This is getting silly. More trains have run, more photos have been taken, and I now have 47 in the image store. In normal times that would be nearly 12 days worth, but these are not normal times. It does me good to get upstairs to run trains and take photos, and to spend time photoshopping them later, so i can see only one solution, which is to post more pictures. If you feel this is overkill, please do tell me. To give something a bit different, here are two close ups of buildings at the far end of the forecourt. First the old engine shed, and that spectacular window. and then part of what was originally the stationmaster's accomodation, far more austere and in keeping with GNR policy. 38 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post St Enodoc Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, great northern said: If you feel this is overkill, please do tell me. Not at all Gilbert! The more the merrier. 1 21 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Not at all Gilbert! The more the merrier. Absolutely! In these time of not being allowed to go outside (or anywhere of interest) most of us are spending more time in front of the computer. The more time you spend playing trains the happier you are, and the more pictures we get to see of your wonderful layout the happier we are. Everyone wins! Edited April 5, 2020 by Sharky 3 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 5, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sharky said: Absolutely! In these time of not being allowed to go outside (or anywhere of interest) most of us are spending more time in front of the computer. The more time you spend playing trains the happier you are, and the more pictures we get to see of your wonderful layout the happier we are. Everyone wins! Thank you so much! I think that deserves another picture. 32 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 5, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 Another shot of the 9F, rather hopefully into the light. Again, black and white probably saves it. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 11 hours ago, manna said: G'day Folks SNAP manna Now, not nit-picking, but... are the 5s on that cabside upside down? Stewart ps to add...I'm not sure about the 1s either. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 5, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2020 Our evening images feature first an oncoming 02. As it lurches over the pointowrk, one hopes the photographer will also be stepping smartly to his right. We can look at this from another angle too, and from a higher vantage point. The sky went a bit peculiar on this one. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bill37 Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2020 The sky went a bit peculiar on this one. Have to disagree, that sky looks great IMO. Bill. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, stewartingram said: Now, not nit-picking, but... are the 5s on that cabside upside down? Stewart ps to add...I'm not sure about the 1s either. G'day Folks Not to sure, only arrived the other day, I'll go have a look. Seem to be OK, here's a close up. manna Edited April 6, 2020 by manna Added info. 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 6, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 6, 2020 I should explain that I've been making some changes and additions to backscenes in the hope of avoiding a few of the problems I get while photoshopping. That's why the camera kept being pointed in certain directions, and you are getting some very similar views. That explains another head on view of the 02, though this time the photographer would have been in a far safer and more sensible position. The D11 also features again. There are places at this end where it is just about impossible to avoid something growing out of a loco's chimney! D11s couldn't be much more different from a D16, and certainly couldn't be called graceful, but for me there is still a sort of rugged attraction. Perhaps it is because they were a very regular sight at Lincoln during my earliest spotting days. I must have told you before of my puzzlement when, on my fiirst visit to St Marks station, ex LMS for those not familiar with the railway history of Lincoln, the loco featured above was the first I saw. Why? Because it had been explained to me that while at Central station I saw locos whose numbers began with a 6, at St Marks they would begin with a 4. I remember also being amazed to see a very small nameplate on 62670, but then I was only about eleven years old. 26 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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