37Oban Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Has to be Black five with Stephenson motion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 36 minutes ago, great northern said: Mid morning picture is one I rather like. It features that very smart KX B1, heading to Hull with fish empties. I can't remember if I zoomed this or just did a heavy crop, but, together with the BG on the left concentrating the eye on the loco, I reckon it works well. I even remembered to put some better lamps on as well. Stop trying to influence the vote with sexy pictures. 3 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2020 B1. It worked. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 BR Std 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 The mixed traffic 4-6-0 I'm afraid has to be the Stanier Black 5 - the natural child of a very good parent - the GWR "Hall". Not sure which was the longest lived, but the Hall's route availability was compromised by the width over the cylinders - so the "Black 5" just scraped in. regards Chris H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 hours ago, great northern said: Today, mixed traffic 4.6.0s. Every railway had them, but which was the most efficient, versatile, and stood the test of time? 3 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Just waiting for those who like trains south of the Thames to wake up suggesting S15s and H15s, what ever they are. Much as I prefer trains south of the Thames (and without excessive copper/brass "bling"), it's impossible to argue against a Black 5 given Gilbert's criteria... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
61379mayflower Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 B1 for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 The B1 of course from that nice Mr Thompson. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Stop trying to influence the vote with sexy pictures. But this is not about looks now, we've done that. I really like B1s, but have to remind myself that they became very rough riding when they had been out of shops for some time, and so were neither pleasant for crews, or in some cases fit for higher speed passenger trains. If there are other mixed traffic 4.6.0s which didn't have this problem, I feel that might influence my choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 45156 Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 My late uncle (actually my dad's cousin) was a very senior man at Crewe, and when I was about twelve, he took me to Dalry Road, where there were Black 5s galore - his comment that day was "there's one thing better than one of these Hikers (a Scottish nickname for them) is two of them. He also had the honour of having to put a Black 5 on the Royal Scot to cover a failed Class 40 English Electric Type 4, and the event was also photographed by the brilliant railwayman/photographer, Ron Herbert in one of his books "The Working Railway" Vols 1 and 2. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 With our tea this afternoon, we can have another look at that B1, this time from Spital Bridge. I was trying to convey the length of the train, but still couldn't get it all in. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, great northern said: With our tea this afternoon, we can have another look at that B1, this time from Spital Bridge. I was trying to convey the length of the train, but still couldn't get it all in. Hi Gilbert That helps with showing it is a very long train, how many photos of real long trains do you see both the driver and the guard? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi Gilbert That helps with showing it is a very long train, how many photos of real long trains do you see both the driver and the guard? That's a very good point Clive. I guess I've just got a bit obsessive about it, and lost touch with reality......again. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 31, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 The 7.10am from Doncaster now arrives. New England Pacifics are used to hauling Parliamentaries, so this is nothing out of the ordinary for 60514 or its crew, which should have had an easy journey. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 G'Day Folks Another vote for the B1. manna 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2020 Well, since the 4-6-0 has to be versatile, long lasting and reliable, etc., then it’s Stanier’s Black Five. Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted June 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Metropolitan H said: Hall's route availability was compromised by the width over the cylinders - so the "Black 5" just scraped in. Very funny! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted June 1, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2020 Golfing today, though very high pollen levels are making me wonder whether that is a good idea. I'm sure I'll be OK, I think. I used to be indecisive....... The N5 is busy at the moment. It has been back down to the carriage sidings, and has now brought in stock for an E. Lincs departure. Meanwhile, the train engine has been off to collect a BG, and once the N5 has gone back to its resting place, now backs down onto the stock. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted June 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2020 GC heaven. Lovely. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 1, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 1, 2020 If there was one poll which was a foregone conclusion, this was it. The Black 5 got 15 votes, and nothing else more than three. Still, it would surely be wrong to not do the poll just because there happened to be a loco which richly deserved the recognition it got? Whatever our regional preferences, I think there is a general acceptance that this is one of the outstanding success stories of British railways steam history. Today, let's consider eight and ten coupled engines. Same criteria as before, not looks, but what did the job the best , taking into account all considerations, ease of maintenance, reliability, crew comfort, the lot. Longevity again too, but of course also those that got cut off in their prime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted June 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2020 Robinson 04 in its various manifestations. from Australia to Shanghai, the Middle East to Grimsby, France, Belgium and 28xx fans, even on the WoE mainline. regards, Alastair 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I think this one has to go to the Stanier 8F. As much as I like the 04 and other LNER types the 8F better fits the criteria given. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted June 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) "all considerations, ease of maintenance, reliability, crew comfort, the lot. Longevity again too, but of course also those that got cut off in their prime." the 04 fulfills all those and it got their first and lasted longer. it also proved itself admirably suited to upgrading/modification. But the 8f was a great engine...... Edited June 1, 2020 by A Murphy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 O4. I'd disagree with the argument above as the 8F was eventually deemed too complex and expensive and the Austerity design developed. The O4 was just copied, again and again. I know the Australian O4s were still working until the early 1970s; when were the last 8Fs retired (in the Middle East somewhere, at a guess)? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, great northern said: If there was one poll which was a foregone conclusion, this was it. The Black 5 got 15 votes, and nothing else more than three. Still, it would surely be wrong to not do the poll just because there happened to be a loco which richly deserved the recognition it got? Whatever our regional preferences, I think there is a general acceptance that this is one of the outstanding success stories of British railways steam history. Today, let's consider eight and ten coupled engines. Same criteria as before, not looks, but what did the job the best , taking into account all considerations, ease of maintenance, reliability, crew comfort, the lot. Longevity again too, but of course also those that got cut off in their prime. Churchwards 28xx. Superb machines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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