Peterborough North

[TrevorP1]

My knowledge of LNER coaches is poor but I always enjoy these views. 

[Metropolitan H]

52 minutes ago, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

I'm going to vote for those cute little Beattie  2-4-0WT's, the ones that survived down in Cornwall for so many years after all there sisters were scrapped.

 

My late Father-in-Law worked in Eastleigh works for many years, he told me during the war, he worked on Landing craft at Eastleigh works.

 

manna 

 

Surely the Beattie Well Tanks - and other Beattie locos - were built by contractors or at the LSWR's "Nine Elms" works. Easleigh wasn't established as  C&W works till 1891. No locos were built at Eastleigh till 1910 under Dugald Drummond - some of the first being M7 0-4-4Ts. So Adams reign was still at Nine Elms and came between Beattie and Drummond.

 

Sorry to be picky.

 

Regards

Chris H

[manna]

1 hour ago, Metropolitan H said:

 

Surely the Beattie Well Tanks - and other Beattie locos - were built by contractors or at the LSWR's "Nine Elms" works. Easleigh wasn't established as  C&W works till 1891. No locos were built at Eastleigh till 1910 under Dugald Drummond - some of the first being M7 0-4-4Ts. So Adams reign was still at Nine Elms and came between Beattie and Drummond.

 

Sorry to be picky.

 

Regards

Chris H

G'day Folks

 

That's a Bummer, I forgot about Nine Elms, better go for a T9 then.

 

manna

[TrevorP1]

7 hours ago, Metropolitan H said:

 

Surely the Beattie Well Tanks - and other Beattie locos - were built by contractors or at the LSWR's "Nine Elms" works. Easleigh wasn't established as  C&W works till 1891. No locos were built at Eastleigh till 1910 under Dugald Drummond - some of the first being M7 0-4-4Ts. So Adams reign was still at Nine Elms and came between Beattie and Drummond.

 

Sorry to be picky.

 

Regards

Chris H

I believe the well tanks were built by Beyer Peacock.

[thegreenhowards]

I love the rake of coaches Gilbert. It’s difficult to tell which are RTR and which are kits such is the quality of both. I presume the three blood and custard Thompsons are the RTRs...but only because I know Bachmann make these.

[3rd Rail Exile]

7 hours ago, manna said:

G'day Folks

 

That's a Bummer, I forgot about Nine Elms, better go for a T9 then.

 

manna

 

The T9s were modified by Urie (presumably at Eastleigh) between 1922 and 1929, but originally built either by contractors or at Nine Elms...

[great northern]

Photos first, as usual. With 13 on, Sun Castle is well off the platform end while waiting for the off, and will receive banking assistance.

 

 

our man on Spital Bridge didn't see the A2 leaving, but he was back in time to see the V2 pulling out of Platform 6.

 

 

 

In the interests of research, I spent some time in this corner, trying to get the camera further to the left each time. That meant squashing myself against the wall more each time as well. Was it worth it?  Photos will appear through the day, and you will be able to judge for yourselves.

 

 

 

[Tim Dubya]

33 minutes ago, 3rd Rail Exile said:

 

The T9s were modified by Urie (presumably at Eastleigh) between 1922 and 1929, but originally built either by contractors or at Nine Elms...

 

Indeed, Dübs of Glasgow being the contractor.

 

After 1903, the North British Locomotive Company.

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by Tim Dubya
2nd attempt to get the word Scotchland into a post (but failled).

[great northern]

Well, that poll gave hours of innocent amusement, didn't it? After spending some time ruling suggestions in or out for various reasons, we had a tie between  Rebuilt MNs and S15s, with 3 votes each. I think that's right, anyway. Many thanks to our more knowledgeable contributors who steered us in the correct direction.

 

What to do today?  Having had our knowledge enhanced somewhat, we'll stay down south, and go for locomotives designed and/or built at Brighton. No bubble cars Clive.

[jwealleans]

 

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Edited June 24, 2020 by jwealleans

[bigwordsmith]

OK Now I can vote for the H2!

[31A]

22 minutes ago, great northern said:

  Having had our knowledge enhanced somewhat, we'll stay down south, and go for locomotives designed and/or built at Brighton. No bubble cars Clive.

 

BR Class 4 2-6-4T.

[Clive Mortimore]

Gilbert my dear friend, bubble cars aka class 121 and 122 were built by Pressed Steel and Gloucester Railway Carriage and Wagon, not at Brighton. Daft nickname everyone knows that true bubble cars only had three wheels and no reverse gear.

 

 

Today's vote has to go to Stepney and the other 49 class A1 "Terriers". 20% of the class are preserved, not bad for a humble 0-6-0T

[JamieR4489]

Leader

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, Unrebuilt light Pacific for me.

[simontaylor484]

Unrebuilt west country /merchant navy got me 

[3rd Rail Exile]

As yesterday indirectly showed, choosing a "Brighton" loco won't be easy.  H2, Z, and a number of classes of tank engines are all worthy of consideration, but in joint "second place" I'll mention

 

Q1 0-6-0 - not to everyone's taste aesthetically, but very good at the job they were built for

West Country/Battle of Britain - original form

Design of the rebuild of both classes of Bulleid Pacifics

BR Standard Class 4 2-6-4 Tank

 

However, after much consideration, my actual vote goes to the A1/A1X Terriers - you only need to look at the threads on the various recent RTR models to see how strongly some people feel about these wonderfully long-lived little locos!

[great northern]

Squashed a little further into the corner, we get this.

 

 

It is becoming rather warm in these parts.

[St Enodoc]

20 hours ago, 3rd Rail Exile said:

 

It is, indeed a can of worms - whether that is preferable to a can of Spam is a matter for debate   

 

The 30 Merchant Navies were all built at Eastleigh, and rebuilt at Eastleigh, though Brighton was responsible for the designs of both the originals and rebuilds. 

 

The 110 West Country/Battle of Britains were built at Brighton (104) and Eastleigh (6).  The 60 that were rebuilt were all done at Eastleigh.  Again, Brighton was responsible for the designs of both the originals and rebuilds. 

 

As Gilbert says "they count", I'll transfer my vote from earlier (King Arthurs) to the Merchant Navies.  

 

I'll freely admit that Darlington/Doncaster would have me completely foxed, so I sympathise with those who are perplexed by the Southern and its constituents

I thought the rules were "designed and built", in which case none of the Bulleid Pacifics qualify for Eastleigh. When Brighton comes round, I'll vote for the WC/BBs.

 

Edit: Can't keep up - see below.

Edited June 24, 2020 by St Enodoc

[St Enodoc]

2 hours ago, great northern said:

Well, that poll gave hours of innocent amusement, didn't it? After spending some time ruling suggestions in or out for various reasons, we had a tie between  Rebuilt MNs and S15s, with 3 votes each. I think that's right, anyway. Many thanks to our more knowledgeable contributors who steered us in the correct direction.

 

What to do today?  Having had our knowledge enhanced somewhat, we'll stay down south, and go for locomotives designed and/or built at Brighton. No bubble cars Clive.

Well if the rule's changed (!) I'll still go for the light Pacifics.

[CUTLER2579]

BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4 Tank.

[Metropolitan H]

Hmm! - Spoilt for choice again, but as this is about bomb-proof, go anywhere, do anything and do it reliably locos it has to be the:

-  BR Standard 4MT 2-6-4 Tank.

 

Lots tied for second place, including - Bulleid's superb Q1, Terrier 0-6-0Ts, WC / BB Bulleid Light Pacifics, Marsh / Billington H2 Atlantics.

 

Regards

Chris H

[Oldddudders]

I will be a bit crass and offer the entire set of Brighton radial tanks, Robert Billinton's Classes E3/4/5/6. They all looked similar, but had different size drivers to help distinguish them. E3 stemmed from 158 West Brighton, completed posthumously of William Stroudley design, which Billinton found satisfactory. That had 4'6" drivers, as did E6 in the Edwardian era, and these were freight locos, of course. E4 had 5' drivers for mixed traffic and E5 5'6" drivers for secondary and suburban passenger services.

[TrevorP1]

Brighton has to be the BR 4 tank.

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, TrevorP1 said:

Brighton has to be the BR 4 tank.

But wasn't a BR class 4 tank a Fairburn tank with BR fittings.

The Fairburn tank in turn was a slightly shorter wheelbase Stanier class 4 tank.

The Stanier tank was a Fowler tank with a Swindon boiler.

The Folwer tank was an outside cylinder version of the MR flatiron 0-6-4T needing a pony truck on the front.

Therefore a BR standard class 4 was in reality a Derby design. 

[great northern]

Further flattening of self produces this, and with a bit of zoom, I think we are getting somewhere.