RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 B1 and Ivatt wait for the off. The B1 will get it first. Indeed, the B1 has now left, and the Ivatt has a few minutes to wait still, so an 02 with a mixed goods from Letchworth has time to slip through on the main. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Market65 said: Good evening, Gilbert. I’ve been looking through the good book by Hugh Longworth, British Railways Pre Nationalisation Coaching Stock, Volume 2, SR and LMS. In pages 407/8, the LYR Hughes, non corridor thirds are covered, to diagram 98. 54’ 0” x 8’ 10 1/2 “. 25tons 15 cwt. M15204M, is one from lot number N31. It was introduced in 1921, (no other information is given), and withdrawn in October, 1959. The original number was 13860. A fascinating subject, railway carriages. Best regards, Rob. That's what I'd call an exhaustive reply Rob, and absolutely correct too. I though that might be one of the more difficult ones. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 Another plonk, on this rather dismal and very damp afternoon. Pilots waiting for something to do. The C12 will get some work, but the V2 may not. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 14, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 02 on its way, and signalled into the yards. and after it has dragged its load across the Up main and out of the way, the first New Clee fish can head south. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Having worked In Letchworth for many years and owning a model Country Gentlemens (sic) Association coal wagon, I have often wondered about goods train workings to and from the North. I had assumed that wagons were dropped off at Hitchin for connection to an appropriate main line or Cambridge branch train. However, your O2 is working a through goods. Please do you know if the loco joined hauled the train (tender first?) from Letchworth and ran round it at Hitchin or did it relieve a local engine at the latter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2020 The New Clee fish gets closer, and we can see that the loco is one of ours, 61023. A few minutes of quiet follow, after which 92188 starts its journey to Ferme Park with more coal. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said: Having worked In Letchworth for many years and owning a model Country Gentlemens (sic) Association coal wagon, I have often wondered about goods train workings to and from the North. I had assumed that wagons were dropped off at Hitchin for connection to an appropriate main line or Cambridge branch train. However, your O2 is working a through goods. Please do you know if the loco joined hauled the train (tender first?) from Letchworth and ran round it at Hitchin or did it relieve a local engine at the latter? Can't help with that, I'm afraid. Dear departed Andy Rush told me that the train would have vans with produce from Letchworth, but also, as with so many other nortbound trains, a raft of coal empties as well. It could be that the vans were worked to Hitchin and the empties attached there, but I don't know for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said: Having worked In Letchworth for many years and owning a model Country Gentlemens (sic) Association coal wagon, I have often wondered about goods train workings to and from the North. I had assumed that wagons were dropped off at Hitchin for connection to an appropriate main line or Cambridge branch train. However, your O2 is working a through goods. Please do you know if the loco joined hauled the train (tender first?) from Letchworth and ran round it at Hitchin or did it relieve a local engine at the latter? Having taken a look at the track layout at Hitchin, it seems a bit unlikely. The shunt moves involved would take up a lot of track capacity although it could be done with a station pilot. I think it more probable that the wagons would have travelled further south to a marshalling yard before returning northwards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Having taken a look at the track layout at Hitchin, it seems a bit unlikely. The shunt moves involved would take up a lot of track capacity although it could be done with a station pilot. I think it more probable that the wagons would have travelled further south to a marshalling yard before returning northwards. Would Letchworth have received loaded coal earlier in the day though, possibly off the New England- KX Goods pick up? In that case, assuming sufficient siding capacity at Letchworth, the whole train could have started there and just joined the main line at Hitchin. I know locos ran light from Hornsey to run empties from New Southgate and I think other places, so the same could happen here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2020 59 minutes ago, G567281 said: I love viewing your passenger train formations. Does your modelling period warrant running the Tees-Thames which was introduced in the late 50’s for approx 3 years ?. It was a restaurant car express and consisted of two portions, one from Saltburn by the sea and the other from West Hartlepool if I am not mistaken in late 1958. York engines were used for the run to London and it’s return. best regards Alan Just too late for me, I'm afraid. The sequence I run is from the Summer 58 WTT, and the Tees-Thames hadn't been invented by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2020 Two more high level views of the 9F tonight. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 16, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2020 The 5.52 from KX arrives, and will terminate. Regular B1 61282 in charge again. 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 The pictures under the roof are brilliant, Cheers David 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 16, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2020 While I continue scratching my head over coupling issues, here's another still life to pass the time. 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 16, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2020 The last Up Newcastle now, having left there at 5.05pm. Tracery will have taken over at Grantham. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 17, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2020 Very dark and dismal here again this morning, so I have to ration photos again, as there seems little prospect of taking more for a couple of days. I know that a lot of others besides myself are feelling that every day is the same at the moment, and that doesn't help with motivation.The sequence is becoming very predictable as I get through it more quickly, and I'm fast running out of new ideas and angles for photography, hence the iffy nature of this photo. Thane of Fife on Class C duty again, and heading for Dringhouses. 31 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 A bit of a thought to helping you through the mundane days-maybe a couple of user suggested photos, like (as an example) 60012 under the bridge with the rake from cassette 12A-something different and not strictly sticking to the sequences for yourself, and allowing a little more interaction between us all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Although it might appear a little repetitive for you, for us (well, me at least!), it's of never-ending interest due to the sheer variety and subtle changes each day brings. We will never know the sequence as intimately as you. The whole idea is to be transported back in time (isn't it?) as if you were really there, boo-ing at the ever regulars but with the sense of anticipation for that one 'special' sighting that makes the visit worthwhile. Deviate too far from that and whole effect is ruined. I enjoyed seeing Tracery yesterday, for example. It was always one of my dad's favourites (lovely, classy name) from early 1950s GCR days and we have it on Grantham as No.2558 in LNER days. Edited November 17, 2020 by LNER4479 5 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted November 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2020 52 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Although it might appear a little repetitive for you, for us (well, me at least!), it's of never-ending interest due to the sheer variety and subtle changes each day brings. We will never know the sequence as intimately as you. The whole idea is to be transported back in time (isn't it?) as if you were really there, boo-ing at the ever regulars but with the sense of anticipation for that one 'special' sighting that makes the visit worthwhile. Deviate too far from that and whole effect is ruined. I enjoyed seeing Tracery yesterday, for example. It was always one of my dad's favourites (lovely, classy name) from early 1950s GCR days and we have it on Grantham as No.2558 in LNER days. Gilbert, can I just echo this post. Around the time period of your layout I used to go trainspotting at Grantham in the school holidays. Seeing your photos brings back memories of seeing the real locos and I am learning a lot about what I then took for granted. So please keep up the photos, I don't mind repeats of the exact locations and angles - it's just like my much later photos of places I was able to visit quite often - especially Swayfield and Grantham. Each photo shows subtle differences. David 5 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 17, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2020 Well thank you Graham and Dave, that cheered me up a lot, and I shall take notice. I'm a bit cheesed off at the moment as every Hunt coupling I fixed seems to have knock on effect on something else when I start forming trains, which has made the sequence rather tortuous. I know I could cheat and put in anything I chose, and you would never know if I didn't photograph the cheating bits, but somehow I can't bring myself to do that. 2 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 17, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, DaveF said: Gilbert, can I just echo this post. Around the time period of your layout I used to go trainspotting at Grantham in the school holidays. Seeing your photos brings back memories of seeing the real locos and I am learning a lot about what I then took for granted. So please keep up the photos, I don't mind repeats of the exact locations and angles - it's just like my much later photos of places I was able to visit quite often - especially Swayfield and Grantham. Each photo shows subtle differences. David Now that in a way echoes something I've been thinking about to keep us interested and occupied. How about contributions on the theme "a Day out at ....... in 19..? Our recollections of what we saw on a day trip to a favourite place. I doubt many of us have spotter's notebooks to refer to, but if you do, I for one would love to hear about the contents of those. Even without written help though, don't we all recall things which have stayed in our memories for years? I'll kick it off with something, probably after I've finished duvet wrestling in the morning. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2020 I think what continues to define PN for me is the timetabling. Every train, every light engine move has a scheduled purpose. That sets it apart from many other fine models, since it is a railway that has a reason for everything we are shown. No matter that the trains are posed to maximise the quality of the photography - that is a necessary constraint of photographing small things. The fact that each train is identified, be it the Scotsman or a trip from the East, adds substantially to the realism for me, maybe for others. 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bazza Posted November 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2020 Hi Gilbert, your layout and the daily reports and photos are a time machine as to what the ECML was like in the latter days of steam. All that is missing is the smoke and smells. My ECML spotting was mainly at Kings Cross, Hornsey and Wood Green (as it was called then) and the stirring names, the variety of coaches and the different smell of the coal smoke (I was a WR spotter really) made a great impression on me. You bring back so many memories! Barry 2 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 17, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2020 At platform 6, a K1 has brought that short evening parcels up from East. 30 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted November 18, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2020 Duvet wrestling day, and Ocado delivery. How shall I cope with the excitement and stress? I will start by posting another shot of Thane of Fife, seen through an archway, and with a storm brewing in the background. 43 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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