RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 Right, now to an attempt to recreate a prototype photo, and a special one too, having been taken by Tim's Dad on 23rd May 1958. This shows Welbeck Abbey pulling out of the Up carriage sidings. The train, I am sure is the 4.32 to Harwich, as I've seen several shots of March engines doing the same thing, and the stock matches the official formation, almost. Tim's Dad was a teenager at the time, so there is no way he would have had a permit to stray off the platforms, which means this must have been taken from the North end of Platform 3/4, where spotters tended to congregate, or perhaps be sent by the staff. I thought at first that the structure with the sloping top just in view on the left was the telephone box attached to the water crane at the end of the platform, and looking at other photos I can't see any thing else further north which would fit the bill. However, the carriage sidings were a fair way along from that, whereas the loco looks very close. So, I'm puzzled as to how this was taken, and I couldn't achieve anything remotely like it with the camera on the platform, even when using telephoto, which I presume Tim's Dad didn't have in 1958. So, here is the nearest I could get. I forgot the BG was maroon. To get this to look anything like, the camera had to be positioned quite a way further north of the platform, and even then I couldn't get the same angle. I suppose with the compression of distance which was necessary at this end of the layout, that isn't really surprising. My camera would also be sitting considerably higher, of course, Tim is much more clever than me, so perhaps we will see what he can do when he is next allowed to visit. 27 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2021 I'll go for the Crab too, though the 0-8-0 would be a close second. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jollysmart Posted April 3, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2021 I'll go for the 0-8-0, can't beat a good heavy freight loco that can do the job. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sandhole Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 hours ago, jollysmart said: I'll go for the 0-8-0, can't beat a good heavy freight loco that can do the job. Problem with the large boilered 0-8-0s, the axleboxes were fragile. The origional Aspinal small boilered locos were fine. The large boilered locos could do the job but, like the 'Austin Sevens', were flawed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said: Crab. P We don't want to know the diagnosis of your visit to the clinic tucked away behind the rest of the hospital 1 1 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: We don't want to know the diagnosis of your visit to the clinic tucked away behind the rest of the hospital That would be a very singular infection. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: We don't want to know the diagnosis of your visit to the clinic tucked away behind the rest of the hospital Only one wouldn't be too bad, surely? 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2021 The West Riding is well on its way, and the Scotch Goods has pulled into Westwood Yard for inspection. That leaves the Down slow free for more coal empties, this time originating from New Southgate, and 02 hauled. In number 4 bay is the 5.03 to Grimsby. Lots of extra work for B1s on summer Fridays, so the J11 gets this job, which is well within its powers. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Stirling Single for me. Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Crab. Lovely photos lately, also Tim's. A pleasure to 'catch up'. Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) On 04/04/2021 at 00:17, great northern said: Right, now to an attempt to recreate a prototype photo, and a special one too, having been taken by Tim's Dad on 23rd May 1958. This shows Welbeck Abbey pulling out of the Up carriage sidings. The train, I am sure is the 4.32 to Harwich, as I've seen several shots of March engines doing the same thing, and the stock matches the official formation, almost. Tim's Dad was a teenager at the time, so there is no way he would have had a permit to stray off the platforms, which means this must have been taken from the North end of Platform 3/4, where spotters tended to congregate, or perhaps be sent by the staff. I thought at first that the structure with the sloping top just in view on the left was the telephone box attached to the water crane at the end of the platform, and looking at other photos I can't see any thing else further north which would fit the bill. However, the carriage sidings were a fair way along from that, whereas the loco looks very close. So, I'm puzzled as to how this was taken, and I couldn't achieve anything remotely like it with the camera on the platform, even when using telephoto, which I presume Tim's Dad didn't have in 1958. So, here is the nearest I could get. I forgot the BG was maroon. To get this to look anything like, the camera had to be positioned quite a way further north of the platform, and even then I couldn't get the same angle. I suppose with the compression of distance which was necessary at this end of the layout, that isn't really surprising. My camera would also be sitting considerably higher, of course, Tim is much more clever than me, so perhaps we will see what he can do when he is next allowed to visit. I'd love to have go at grafting my B17 photo onto this superb shot, and colouring it as well, if it were to permitted. It reminds me of my own experiences of 1958 when the sun always shone, and the photo is redolent of those days of spotting , too. Lovely. My picture removed. Sorry Gilbert and especially Tim. Edited April 4, 2021 by robmcg addition removal 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hawkins Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 19 hours ago, great northern said: Right, now to an attempt to recreate a prototype photo, and a special one too, having been taken by Tim's Dad on 23rd May 1958. This shows Welbeck Abbey pulling out of the Up carriage sidings. The train, I am sure is the 4.32 to Harwich, as I've seen several shots of March engines doing the same thing, and the stock matches the official formation, almost. Tim's Dad was a teenager at the time, so there is no way he would have had a permit to stray off the platforms, which means this must have been taken from the North end of Platform 3/4, where spotters tended to congregate, or perhaps be sent by the staff. I thought at first that the structure with the sloping top just in view on the left was the telephone box attached to the water crane at the end of the platform, and looking at other photos I can't see any thing else further north which would fit the bill. However, the carriage sidings were a fair way along from that, whereas the loco looks very close. So, I'm puzzled as to how this was taken, and I couldn't achieve anything remotely like it with the camera on the platform, even when using telephoto, which I presume Tim's Dad didn't have in 1958. So, here is the nearest I could get. I forgot the BG was maroon. To get this to look anything like, the camera had to be positioned quite a way further north of the platform, and even then I couldn't get the same angle. I suppose with the compression of distance which was necessary at this end of the layout, that isn't really surprising. My camera would also be sitting considerably higher, of course, Tim is much more clever than me, so perhaps we will see what he can do when he is next allowed to visit. They both look identical to me Gilbert. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted April 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 Hughes Crab as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2021 Still circling the north end of the station from on high, we first look at the Thompson stock in the siding, particularly the lovely composite. 24 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravy Train Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 29 minutes ago, Welly said: Hughes Crab as well. LYR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 Crabs all over the place, and won easily. Now I shall make you think, and possibly even do a bit of research. Today we want the most successful design of Dugald Drummond, and you can choose from any of the Companies for which he designed lcomotives. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 9 hours ago, robmcg said: I'd love to have go at grafting my B17 photo onto this superb shot, and colouring it as well, if it were to permitted. It reminds me of my own experiences of 1958 when the sun always shone, and the photo is redolent of those days of spotting , too. Lovely. edit; I risked severe disapprobation by doing this ... with a coloured engine of mine... noting that the number ascribed to the engine are not the ones in the file name,' and my model wasn't so shiny, and the 1958 camera lens has some interesting , um, perspectives. lighting on mine was different too, but rule 1, 'the eye forgives'. cheers I cannot understand why you would do this. This is a personal and very precious image belonging to Tim Easter, taken by his father who died not long ago. Tim asked me specifically if I could try to reproduce it, using the loco which he had just sent to me, weathering done as on his father's image. It is personal to him, and to me, as it was taken on my layout. Frankly, I am disgusted, particularly as I have already discussed this sort of thing with you before. I do not wish to see you on this thread again. 2 1 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, great northern said: Still circling the north end of the station from on high, we first look at the Thompson stock in the siding, particularly the lovely composite. Hi Gilbert love the rolling stock David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) I'm going to have to go with the obvious. T14 Paddleboxes. Belay that. Actually, I've reread your question. Successful? I'm not really up on the Scottish types, so I'll say M7 tanks. They lasted one heck of a long time and could be seen from London right down to the end of the country. Edited April 4, 2021 by Sandhole 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 4, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 hours ago, great northern said: I cannot understand why you would do this. This is a personal and very precious image belonging to Tim Easter, taken by his father who died not long ago. Tim asked me specifically if I could try to reproduce it, using the loco which he had just sent to me, weathering done as on his father's image. It is personal to him, and to me, as it was taken on my layout. Frankly, I am disgusted, particularly as I have already discussed this sort of thing with you before. I do not wish to see you on this thread again. A horrible, but entirely-justified, post, Gilbert. 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, great northern said: Now I shall make you think, and possibly even do a bit of research. Today we want the most successful design of Dugald Drummond, and you can choose from any of the Companies for which he designed locomotives. I've come over all Scottish for this poll, considering this is where Dugald hailed from. There's a fair few locos attributed to his name from his time at the Caledonian Railway, including the unique, one-off Caley Single No.123. However, I'm going to go for a more humdrum, long-lived 0-6-0 goods loco, officially the 294 and later 711 class, nicknamed 'Jumbo'. First introduced 1883; last one withdrawn by BR in 1963 - not a bad service record by any standards. Edited April 4, 2021 by LNER4479 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 Jumbo's for me as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 I will vote for the 294/711 class. A loco that continued to be built by someone called Smellie (yes I know about Lambie and Macintosh) must be worth a vote. I don't know anything about them as I had to look Drummond up but they look like a rugged 0-6-0 with a relatively long life. They look the part. Martyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 60027Merlin Posted April 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 4, 2021 Another vote for the Jumbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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