RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 17, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2021 Next through is the Tees Tyne Pullman. Golden Fleece is a reserve Elizabethan engine, and so in very suitable condition for a prestige service. 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 A1 (with roller bearings) please. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 K1 please. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 G'Day Folks Got to be the A1. manna 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) A1 for me. Andrew Edited April 18, 2021 by Woodcock29 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted April 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2021 Yet another lovely morning, and we celebrate with two more views of an immaculate A4. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted April 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 Whoops! Forgot the poll. Looked like there might be a surprise early on, but the A1 pulled away to win by 10 votes to 4 for A2 and 3 for K1. And finally we come to Sir Nigel Gresley. How am I going to do this? Well, we will start with a two horse race. Which was the most successful express passenger design, A3 or A4? I will allow a vote for a tie this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2021 How about the A3 for early fame, but the A4 for making it into the lasting history books, and having that unique streamlined presence? So A4 for endurance as an icon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 A4, merely on the grounds that one of its number was recorded going faster than anything else, which is what express passenger engines are supposed to do. But would the A4 have happened if the A3 hadn't happened before it? (Genuine question - I don't know enough about the detailed history of LNER locomotive development other than what I read on this thread...) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Both were flawed, yet capable of superb work. I'll say A4s. For Mallard's record and the stirling work done on the Aberdeen expresses as a superb swansong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 A4s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 A3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 It has to be A3, you can draw your track plan out much bigger on A3 than A4 paper. Locomotive wise I am abstaining. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2021 A4 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) Well, I'm gonna vote for the A3! By which I mean the post 1928 so-called 'Super Pacifics' with long travel valves and improved superheating - to which spec all original Gresley A1s were - of course - subsequently rebuilt to. It was the A3s that really proved the Gresley large loco pacific concept (not everyone was convinced that it was the right way to go in the late 1920s) and, whereas A1 4472 barely got to 100mph in March 1934, A3 2750 comfortably exceeded it 7 months later in one of the classic high speed test runs of the steam era, thereby paving the way for the A4s the next year. Yes, the A4s are unquestionably a stand out, successful design - but only because of what went before. (I also - whisper it in hushed tones - have a bit of a 'blind spot' for the A4s when it comes to aesthetics. An A3, in original LNER livery, is the epitome of grace and power combined. I'd even put it ahead of an LMS Duchess in that sense. Nurse! The medicine - quick! He's really lost it this time...) Edited April 18, 2021 by LNER4479 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 It has to be the A4 for me. Regards Chris H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Well, I'm gonna vote for the A3! By which I mean the post 1928 so-called 'Super Pacifics' with long travel valves and improved superheating - to which spec all original Gresley A1s were - of course - subsequently rebuilt to. It was the A3s that really proved the Gresley large loco pacific concept (not everyone was convinced that it was the right way to go in the late 1920s) and, whereas A1 4472 barely got to 100mph in March 1934, A3 2750 comfortably exceeded it 7 months later in one of the classic high speed test runs of the steam era, thereby paving the way for the A4s the next year. Yes, the A4s are unquestionably a stand out, successful design - but only because of what went before. (I also - whisper it in hushed tones - have a bit of a 'blind spot' for the A4s when it comes to aesthetics. An A3, in original LNER livery, is the epitome of grace and power combined. I'd even put it ahead of an LMS Duchess in that sense. Nurse! The medicine - quick! He's really lost it this time...) ^ Basically my argument, 5 minutes before I could make it! A3 for me. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Well, I'm gonna vote for the A3! By which I mean the post 1928 so-called 'Super Pacifics' with long travel valves and improved superheating - to which spec all original Gresley A1s were - of course - subsequently rebuilt to. It was the A3s that really proved the Gresley large loco pacific concept (not everyone was convinced that it was the right way to go in the late 1920s) and, whereas A1 4472 barely got to 100mph in March 1934, A3 2750 comfortably exceeded it 7 months later in one of the classic high speed test runs of the steam era, thereby paving the way for the A4s the next year. Yes, the A4s are unquestionably a stand out, successful design - but only because of what went before. (I also - whisper it in hushed tones - have a bit of a 'blind spot' for the A4s when it comes to aesthetics. An A3, in original LNER livery, is the epitome of grace and power combined. I'd even put it ahead of an LMS Duchess in that sense. Nurse! The medicine - quick! He's really lost it this time...) Yo Red Leader Staff Nurse Mortimore to the rescue...a good dose of this should bring you back to your senses. Edit, to make things even better an early Mk2 FO is the second coach. Edited April 18, 2021 by Clive Mortimore 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Ah yes, the inaugural Class 52... so good they named it after the inaugural A3 (4480). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 We have two votes here in Duck Towers; so for me it is an A4 and Mrs Mallard is an A3 because she was told to do that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jollysmart Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 18, 2021 A3 for me and bizarrely with the German deflectors as I really think they look great, odd and not popular I know but still my choice. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Yo Red Leader Staff Nurse Mortimore to the rescue...a good dose of this should bring you back to your senses. Edit, to make things even better an early Mk2 FO is the second coach. Sorry nurse, you've lost me there. I'm looking for one of these in your picture .... ... but there's a smelly (and drippy) box on wheels getting in the way? Non comprende ... 3 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 minute ago, jollysmart said: A3 for me and bizarrely with the German deflectors as I really think they look great, odd and not popular I know but still my choice. serendipity... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Sorry nurse, you've lost me there. I'm looking for one of these in your picture .... ... but there's a smelly (and drippy) box on wheels getting in the way? Non comprende ... Beast. Strangely I really like that having hated forrin stuff when I wuz a spotty yoof. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2021 2 hours ago, LNER4479 said: Sorry nurse, you've lost me there. I'm looking for one of these in your picture .... ... but there's a smelly (and drippy) box on wheels getting in the way? Non comprende ... See it worked, the sight of a (Great) Western Region diesel has helped you. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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