RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2021 Ivatt 4-2-2 cos they looked nice. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2021 Slightly delayed today, but now the Heart of Midlothian can roll by, with Galtee More at the head. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2021 The poll. Adjudication required. How can I rule out a loco which clearly appeared during the existence of the GNR? A1 therefore allowed, and won with 7 votes, but K3 pushed it close with 5. Today, we need to find the very best class of locomotive designed in Scotland. Steam only, please. A lot to choose from, so votes for first second and third are allowed, and I'll sort it out at the end. Hopefully. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, great northern said: Today, we need to find the very best class of locomotive designed in Scotland. Steam only, please. A lot to choose from, so votes for first second and third are allowed, and I'll sort it out at the end. Hopefully. ?? (the little one on the left) Edited May 3, 2021 by LNER4479 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodnok Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, great northern said: Today, we need to find the very best class of locomotive designed in Scotland. Steam only, please. Steam only, designed in Scotland. No specification of location of operation though, only design. 1 hour ago, great northern said: A lot to choose from Indeed, because this includes North British and all their predecessor companies, and their products got to lots of places. The only difficulty is they both built their own designs, and built to designs provided by the customer. Working out what they actually designed versus what they built to external designs will require some research... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) North British SAR 4-8-4s. 25NCs. and the 15F 4-8-2s Monsters of the 3ft 6ins gauge, they pounded the veld for years. Everybody remembers the Garratts, the SAR had some superb 'conventional locos as well. Edited May 3, 2021 by Sandhole 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 3, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3, 2021 1st NBR Reid Atlantic. 2nd GSWR Whitelegg Baltic tank. 3rd HR/CR Smith River class. Sorry fans of the GNoSR I haven't included you but Gilbert has asked for the top three otherwise 4th would be Heywood's class F (LNER D40) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodnok Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I wanted to nominate a South African 25 class, but a) NBR only built a part of that class, and b) there is a South African designer credited with the design. The 24 class gets closer with NBR building the entire fleet, but there is still a South African designer credited with it. I can't with clear conscience say these are "designed in Scotland". However, looking for locomotives where the NBR built either all of the class or the entire first batch, and a separate designer is not listed, the VR R class 4-6-4 looks like it counts (I'll take that as my 1st choice), and the NZR J class 4-8-2 also looks like it counts (2nd choice). For my third choice I'll leave the NBR export catalogue behind, and nominate the Highland 'Jones Goods'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sandhole said: North British SAR 4-8-4s. 25NCs. and the 15F 4-8-2s Monsters of the 3ft 6ins gauge, they pounded the veld for years. Everybody remembers the Garratts, the SAR had some superb 'conventional locos as well. Ah well, now the SAR 25s were the first thing I went for. However, according to Wikipedia, there weren't DESIGNED by North British. Built there, yes, but the design was part German, part South African (hang on - I'll go back and check - ah, I see Bloodnok beat me to it by a whisker!) But absolutely agree cracking locos! Edited May 3, 2021 by LNER4479 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, LNER4479 said: Ah well, now the SAR 25s were the first thing I went for. However, according to Wikipedia, there weren't DESIGNED by North British. Built there, yes, but the design was part German, part South African (hang on - I'll go back and check ...) But absolutely agree cracking locos! Beggar, I wondered if that was the case. Just checked, you are right. CURSES! OK, seeing as the SAR locos weren't NB designs, I'll go with the Jb series of locos built for the New Zealand Railways. Maids of all work, they lasted to the end of NZ steam. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 GNSR class F gets my vote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Difficult to know what was actually designed in Scotland so I’ll confine my choice to locomotives originating from Scottish railway companies. 1. Highland River class 4-6-0. 2. Reid North British Atlantic’s 3. Caledonian Dunalastair V 4-4-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) My three: 1. Victorian R Class (I've ridden behind 4 preserved ones on mainline runs and they're superb engines) 2. NBR Glen 3. NBR J36 Edited May 3, 2021 by Woodcock29 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 44 minutes ago, Woodcock29 said: My three: 1. Victorian R Class (I've ridden behind 4 preserved ones on mainline runs and they're superb engines) 2. NBR Glen 3. NBR J36 Love a good Baltic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Original Royal Scot, designed by NB for the LMS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 3, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2021 Tonight we just have another look at Galtee More, but it is well worth it. 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted May 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2021 I'm not sure why this J15 keeps turning up at PN, but I'm sure few if any will be objecting. It has brought the shuttle service up from East again, and now poses against the canopy of Platform 6. And a lovely picture it makes. 27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 With strong family connections to New Zealand the J class features in my thoughts, but trying to stick to what I think were Gilberts intentions....maybe they were anyway, clever sorts, these legals.........I'll go with the Dunalastair V. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 The poll. Neil makes a good point in the post above. What were my intentions? I must have had some, surely? In the end, it all comes down to idleness and sloppy wordage. What I am intending to do is pull together all the recent polls, and look for the best of the best, if you see what I mean. So, having done the NB and the Caley, what I was wanting was the ultimate winner between the two. That wasn't what I did ask for though, and the result was an interesting but very eclectic range of suggestions, which I have been unable to reconcile into a sensible result. So, can we please go back to looking at locomotives designed by Scottish CMEs, or attributed to them, and which spent their lives largely if not entirely in Scotland. This does extend beyond the big two, so the Highland, GNSR etc get a look in, which they haven't had so far. Is that clear? I do hope so. The very best and most successful based on those criteria then, please. Now I will find out if I have dug my way out of that hole of my own making. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) Oh, so that's what you meant ... In which case, I'm sticking with the CR 'Dunalistair' 4-4-0. Pointed the way forward at the end of the 19th Century with that genre of loco, prior to the later explosion of larger types. Edited May 4, 2021 by LNER4479 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, great northern said: Scottish CMEs Oh, I love a good nit pick.... "Gresley was born in Edinburgh during his mother's visit there to see a gynaecologist..." 1 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, jwealleans said: Oh, I love a good nit pick.... "Gresley was born in Edinburgh during his mother's visit there to see a gynaecologist..." Sounds like she got there just in the nick of time? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted May 4, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, jwealleans said: Oh, I love a good nit pick.... "Gresley was born in Edinburgh during his mother's visit there to see a gynaecologist..." Are you wishing to challenge Clive as the champion of deliberate misunderstanding? I'm sure he will be able to up his game if that is the case. 3 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I don't think Clive needs any encouragement. I just beat him to it. 2 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted May 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4, 2021 Hmm, that does leave me, apres clarification, with either the Dunalastair or Reid Atlantic - both coal hungry but effective beasts. No, still the Dunalastair, although my Scottish family would say DunalasDair is the correct spelling of that name! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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