Peterborough North

[BMacdermott]

Hello Gilbert

 

Were the Bogie Brick Wagons 'strategically placed' in that photo, or have I just not noticed them before?

 

Brian

[great northern]

10 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

Gilbert,

 

I like the high level view but the loco needs to be properly in focus. So I’m not keen on this particular shot but I think that the angle is worth persevering with.

 

Andy

 

 

I nearly binned it, but I'd spent time shopping it, so I put it on, but I knew it wasn't up to scratch.

[great northern]

46 minutes ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello Gilbert

 

Were the Bogie Brick Wagons 'strategically placed' in that photo, or have I just not noticed them before?

 

Brian

They have been in that area for ten years Brian, but are not so noticeable from normal viewing height.

[great northern]

Another high view, but of the south end, as an A3 brings in the 8.00 Leeds, while a J6 and parcels vans wait in the bay.

 

 

[great northern]

Soon I must venture to the very limits of the known world, in order to view Mr Mortimore's multi coloured marvels. In view also will be Mr Mortimore himself, excused ragworting duties for the day, we hope, Steve 31A, and, if he is fit enough, our favourite duck. Our first indoor meeting for a very long time.

 

I shall experience the Newark, Lincoln and Louth by passes, and expect to encounter several tractors on the way, but it will be worth it to spend time with the guys again.

[St Enodoc]

13 minutes ago, great northern said:

Another high view, but of the south end, as an A3 brings in the 8.00 Leeds, while a J6 and parcels vans wait in the bay.

 

 

I like that one, not least because the End of the Known World is well-concealed.

[65179]

20 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

Brian,

 

I have that article. I tracked it down a couple of years ago following your recommendation in the wish list poll. It’s very much about the contemporary operation in the late ‘60s by which time it seems it was mainly 16T mineral wagons. It also suggests that WD 2-8-0s worked it in steam days with an N7 on the branch, but I’ve read that B1s did it somewhere else. 

 

 

Possibly here on the LNER Forum Andy:

 

https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6427

 

Second post down.

 

Simon

Edited June 30, 2021 by 65179

[thegreenhowards]

36 minutes ago, 65179 said:

 

Possibly here on the LNER Forum Andy:

 

https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6427

 

Second post down.

 

Simon

Yes, that was it thanks. I’ve also found the link to the photo of the single class 20 on the bogie sulphate wagons which I’d previously posted on Wright Writes. Unfortunately the link doesn’t work any more as Goggle plus seems to be defunct. So that one is sadly lost to posterity! I do have a hard copy somewhere, butI can’t find it.

[Oldddudders]

I agree with Andy and John. Both high-level shots have merit, but the loco in the first one is uncharacteristically 'in our face', which is not PN style. The 'train in the railwayscape' is the PN signature, and high-level shots have plenty of scope to fulfill that. 

[LNER4479]

On 28/06/2021 at 08:56, BMacdermott said:

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Freight Stock – Bogie, plus Palbrick for consistency

 

Here’s what to do…

1. You may vote for any or all of the ten items listed plus a response to item 11 (if you so wish)

2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 – with comments and explanations following.

4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

Bricks

1   BR Palbrick Wagon – 4-wheel (BR Diag.1/021 of 1954)

2   Bogie Brick Wagon (LNER 1921)

 

Chemicals

3   Bogie Chemicals Tank Wagon (Caustic Soda, Liquid Chlorine, Nitric Acid etc)

4   Bogie Sulphate Wagon (LNER 1930)

 

Bolsters

5   Bogie Bolster D Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diags.1/470, 1/472, 1/476, 1/478, 1/484 of 1949-61)

6   Bogie Bolster Quint D/Plate Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949)

7   Bogie Rail Wagon 50-ton – Borail (Diag.1/482 etc of 1959)

 

Trolleys

8   Bogie Trolley Wagon – Flatrol (eg LNER DD of 1929, BR Diag2/511 of 1949)

9   Bogie Trolley Wagon – Trestrol (eg LNER Trestrol A, BR Diags.2/680 & 682 of 1951/3)

10 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Weltrol (eg LNER Weltrol P, BR Diag.2/730 etc of 1949)

 

11 Your specific Chemical Tank Wagons

There are multitudes of Chemical Tank Wagons, so please feel free to state any specifics you would like to see made.

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

You have until 17.00 on Thursday 24 June. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 25 June.

 

I look forward to your selections and comments!

 

Brian

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

 

Morning Brian,

 

My choices below.

 

The issue with this category is that a lot of these wagons are either specialist / specific and / or built in small numbers. So, according to the prototype location / route one is aiming for, you need to be a little selective. As I said in an earlier post, we're now into the last 10% (after the 90% minerals, opens and vans). That is likely to mean ones or twos of any type, which is not exactly inducing for a RTR manufacturer.

 

Bearing that in mind, my choices would be:

 

5   Bogie Bolster D Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diags.1/470, 1/472, 1/476, 1/478, 1/484 of 1949-61)

6   Bogie Bolster Quint D/Plate Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949)

9   Bogie Trolley Wagon – Trestrol (eg LNER Trestrol A, BR Diags.2/680 & 682 of 1951/3)

11 There are indeed a multitude! Personally, I'd prefer some older pre-grouping / 'Big Four' types that lasted into the BR era (more modern, bogie types are generally outside my own modelling era). But I simply don't know enough about this genre of wagon - a tank wagon is a tank wagon? Except I know enough to know that is most certainly not true! Paul Bartlett's site includes a few interesting MR/LMS types including creosote wagons - no idea how common they were? Or how about, for a bit of variety, a flat wagon carrying a chained down road tanker vehicle? Perhaps not so common in the BR era but quite common in LMS period photos.

 

Graham

[jazzer]

19 hours ago, great northern said:

Now we come to some experimental high level shots at the north end. Your reactions will tell me if they are worth persevering with them.

 

The first features a Director in number 4 bay, which it will leave at 10am.

 

 

I found that angle quite captivating. Before I read the post the loco really caught my eye, and instantly reminded me of the view of a steam locomotive when one stands on a foot bridge. If I put my hand over the loco, it’s not quite so good  but I still think it’s a pretty good picture. Definitely an angle worth working on , I think.

[great northern]

A couple more high level shots. The A3 gets closer, and is revealed to be Sandwich, again.

 

 

and then at the north end, with the D11 at a more sensible distance.

 

 

[great northern]

A lovely day at Clive's though unfortunately our poorly duck couldn't make it. No tractors, but they weren't needed, as there were caravans instead. Steve now knows from personal experience that Lincolnshire is not all flat, and I'm tired out after all the excitement. And Clive has more boxes of locos and coaches than I thought I'd ever see other than in a shop or at an exhibition. Come to think of it, he could put on a one man exhibition with that lot.

[BMacdermott]

Final Call for Votes

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Freight Stock – Bogie, plus Palbrick for consistency

 

Hello everyone

 

A reminder that the 'Polling Station' closes at 17.00 today, with Results due tomorrow.

 

If you haven't already voted, here’s what to do…

1. You may vote for any or all of the ten items listed plus a response to item 11 (if you so wish)

2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 – with comments and explanations following.

4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

Bricks

1   BR Palbrick Wagon – 4-wheel (BR Diag.1/021 of 1954)

2   Bogie Brick Wagon (LNER 1921)

 

Chemicals

3   Bogie Chemicals Tank Wagon (Caustic Soda, Liquid Chlorine, Nitric Acid etc)

4   Bogie Sulphate Wagon (LNER 1930)

 

Bolsters

5   Bogie Bolster D Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diags.1/470, 1/472, 1/476, 1/478, 1/484 of 1949-61)

6   Bogie Bolster Quint D/Plate Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949)

7   Bogie Rail Wagon 50-ton – Borail (Diag.1/482 etc of 1959)

 

Trolleys

8   Bogie Trolley Wagon – Flatrol (eg LNER DD of 1929, BR Diag2/511 of 1949)

9   Bogie Trolley Wagon – Trestrol (eg LNER Trestrol A, BR Diags.2/680 & 682 of 1951/3)

10 Bogie Trolley Wagon – Weltrol (eg LNER Weltrol P, BR Diag.2/730 etc of 1949)

 

11 Your specific Chemical Tank Wagons

There are multitudes of Chemical Tank Wagons, so please feel free to state any specifics you would like to see made.

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

Brian

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

[thegreenhowards]

Brian,

 

Good reminder! My vote is for 5,8,9,10. 
 

My reasoning for voting for them is that I have a steel train which could usefully be lengthened. But I have already built a Cambrian quint and the BR one is too late for me. I have the Parkside LNER quad but that is an earlier (ex NER?) diagram so number 5 would be something new.

 

8,9 and 10 are all a bit unusual and I probably shouldn’t be tempted but I’d go for one if they were available just to ring the changes.

 

I love the bogie brick wagons but I already have six Parkside/ Hornby Dublo ones and at the moment I’m struggling to justify using all of them as I can’t find any evidence of them being used in block trains.  I use one at the head of some of my loaded coal trains which happened occasionally to provide brake force - as below. The others are occasionally coupled up to run back North empty but I’ve seen no evidence for this.

 

Bogie sulphate wagons are also lovely but I have enough. They fill one cassette so any more would be a pain to operate!

 

And I’m with red leader on chemical wagons. I don’t know enough about them to comment. If one came out, I’d probably see if I could justify using it, but as I’m not really aware that I’m missing it, I won’t vote for one now.

 

Andy

[great northern]

The last of the high level views for now, featuring A3 and D11 once more.

 

 

[Mallard60022]

Did Ratio ever do Bogie Brick Wagons? If so I have a set of six that I must have built in the mid 70s! No idea if they are the same as any here? Think I was inspired by brick traffic through Wellingborough?

Phil

[great northern]

18 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said:

Did Ratio ever do Bogie Brick Wagons? If so I have a set of six that I must have built in the mid 70s! No idea if they are the same as any here? Think I was inspired by brick traffic through Wellingborough?

Phil

Don't know Phil. My two are Parkside, I'm pretty sure. If you were to find that you have no use for yours, I could find a home and gainful employment for them.

[BMacdermott]

Hello Phil

 

The answer is yes.

 

Brian

 

https://peco-uk.com/products/lner-bogie-brick-wagon

[jwealleans]

... except that that's the Parkside one which has only just gone into their range, Brian.   If Phil's are from the 1970s then they're most likely to be Triang.   The Parkside kit is from the later 1980s I believe, although they may have acquired it from someone else.

[Mallard60022]

2 hours ago, great northern said:

Don't know Phil. My two are Parkside, I'm pretty sure. If you were to find that you have no use for yours, I could find a home and gainful employment for them.

See PM G.

[2750Papyrus]

The bogie brick wagon was one of Triang's best models in my opinion, and i am surprised at the long absence of a RTR version.  Like others, I have several awaiting upgrade and a couple of Parkside ones on the layout.  Wagons like Weltrols have a certain fascination and probably sell more than their prototype numbers would warrant. 

 

For the poll, my choices are 2,5,6, 8 and 10.

[Woodcock29]

3 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Did Ratio ever do Bogie Brick Wagons? If so I have a set of six that I must have built in the mid 70s! No idea if they are the same as any here? Think I was inspired by brick traffic through Wellingborough?

Phil

If the bogie wagons you have are Ratio kits they would be the Caledonian ore wagon, of which only one was ever built by the CR.

Andrew

[Mallard60022]

6 hours ago, Woodcock29 said:

If the bogie wagons you have are Ratio kits they would be the Caledonian ore wagon, of which only one was ever built by the CR.

Andrew

Well That is a bummer as I had 6!!!!! Derrrrr! Set fire to 5 then!!!!!

P

[Timara]

I've been reminded I meant to post up some pre-weathering photos of "Tehran".....  I don't normally post pics of things before they're finished, but Gilbert did rather insist. Here goes.....

 

 

 

These show the depth and shade of the replacement green better than those after weathering did.   I still say it's better as finished, but this could easily have been the starting point, in a parallel universe......

 

Edited July 1, 2021 by Tim
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