Peterborough North

[great northern]

56 minutes ago, Tim said:

I've been reminded I meant to post up some pre-weathering photos of "Tehran".....  I don't normally post pics of things before they're finished, but Gilbert did rather insist. Here goes.....

 

 

 

These show the depth and shade of the replacement green better than those after weathering did.   I still say it's better as finished, but this could easily have been the starting point, in a parallel universe......

 

Well, firstly it is a thing of beauty in its own right, secondly it shows the depth and richness of a proper green, and thirdly it emphasises even more just how good a model Hornby came up with, if only they could control the lack of quality control and the horribly unrealistic efforts at BR green that they produce too often.

[great northern]

And it is back to ground level for one more look at Sandwich and Zeebrugge.

 

 

[landscapes]

1 hour ago, Tim said:

I've been reminded I meant to post up some pre-weathering photos of "Tehran".....  I don't normally post pics of things before they're finished, but Gilbert did rather insist. Here goes.....

 

 

 

These show the depth and shade of the replacement green better than those after weathering did.   I still say it's better as finished, but this could easily have been the starting point, in a parallel universe......

 

Hi

 

Looks as if it’s straight out of Doncaster Works.

Great work Tim 

 

Regards

 

David

[BMacdermott]

Results – 00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.7: Freight Stock – Bogie, plus Palbrick for consistency

 

Hello everyone

 

Many thanks to the 16 voters who took part.

 

The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual.

 

Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community.

 

High Polling

11        Bogie Bolster Quint D/Plate Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949)

9          Bogie Bolster D Wagon 42-ton (LNER and BR Diags.1/470, 1/472, 1/476, 1/478, 1/484 of 1949-61)

7          Bogie Trolley Wagon – Weltrol (eg LNER Weltrol P, BR Diag.2/730 etc of 1949)

 

Middle Polling

6          Bogie Brick Wagon (LNER 1921)

6          Bogie Rail Wagon 50-ton – Borail (Diag.1/482 etc of 1959)

5          Bogie Trolley Wagon – Flatrol (eg LNER DD of 1929, BR Diag2/511 of 1949)

5          Bogie Trolley Wagon – Trestrol (eg LNER Trestrol A, BR Diags.2/680 & 682 of 1951/3)

 

Low Polling

4          BR Palbrick Wagon – 4-wheel (BR Diag.1/021 of 1954)

2          Bogie Chemicals Tank Wagon (Caustic Soda, Liquid Chlorine, Nitric Acid etc)

1          Bogie Sulphate Wagon (LNER 1930)

 

Your specific Chemical Tank Wagons

2          Caustic Soda Tanker

1          Hornby-Dublo ICI Chlorine Tanker

1          Hornby-Dublo Traffic Services Tanker

1          Creosote Wagon

1          Flat Wagon with chained down Road Tanker Vehicle

 

Other Specialist Vehicle Noted

1          140-ton Gun Set Wagon complete with 14in Gun Barrel ().

 

Join us again on Monday for the final Rolling Stock Mini-Poll, which will be for Departmental Stock.

 

After that – and responding to Gilbert’s earlier request – I am pleased to say that Chris Knowles-Thomas and I will be bringing you three further Mini-Polls; these will be for steam locos with a Peterborough North connection. They will be:

* PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.1: Freight, Tank & Tender

* PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.2: Passenger Tank

* PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.3: Passenger Tender

 

Brian

Mini-Poll No.7 Bogie Comments Received.pdf

[great northern]

Time now for the 7.43 Up York, which has been monopolised by that filthy A2/3 for a very long time. Today though, we get to see another York engine, a not so filthy A2/2.

 

 

[davidw]

36 minutes ago, great northern said:

Time now for the 7.43 Up York, which has been monopolised by that filthy A2/3 for a very long time. Today though, we get to see another York engine, a not so filthy A2/2.

 

 

That A2/2 looks superb. A cracking job by Tim.

[great northern]

Found a few more plonks, so here are two slumbering pilots.

 

 

[Mallard60022]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

Found a few more plonks, so here are two slumbering pilots.

 

 

 

I saw this one once.

[FarrMan]

1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said:

 

I saw this one once.

 

I heard a story of a pilot with a North African airline, who went back into the passenger cabin to speak to the passengers. The cabin door shut behind him, and he did not have a key on him. He proceeded to ask if any of the passengers had an axe in their hand baggage. Being a North African airline, someone did, and he was able to smash his way back into the cockpit.

 

Lloyd

[jazzer]

On 29/06/2021 at 12:58, thegreenhowards said:

Brian,

 

I have that article. I tracked it down a couple of years ago following your recommendation in the wish list poll. It’s very much about the contemporary operation in the late ‘60s by which time it seems it was mainly 16T mineral wagons. It also suggests that WD 2-8-0s worked it in steam days with an N7 on the branch, but I’ve read that B1s did it somewhere else.  There is a picture of an N7 working it in pre bogie sulphate days in ‘steam memories 42’: P54.

 

and a picture of an N7 with the bogie sulphate wagons in 1959 here (8th row down on the left).

https://www.hertsmemories.org.uk/content/herts-history/topics/transport/railways/lostrails/ayot-greenway-photo-gallery

 

 

 

Andy

Well that link threw up an unintended consequence.  Ever since the  BR version of the Oxford Rail N 7 came out I’ve been moaning about the coal guards over the rear spectacle plates  being the wrong type I.e they were the full height of the windows instead of the typical G.E .R half height ones, that were correctly fitted on the OR pre- nationalisation versions. I have found photos of every N7 , except, tantalisingly the one the OR model represents, 69612, but of the rear views I have traced, all have the standard GER Style coal guards, not the one represented o;the OR model.

Well, that link threw up an unintended result. Ever since the BR version of the Oxford Rail N7 came out I’ve been moaning about the coal guards over the rear spectacle plates being the wrong type ie they were the full height of the spectacle plates , not the GER half height type, that were correctly fitted to the pre- nationalisation OR models. I have been able to trace photographs of every N7 except, tantalisingly ORs 69612 , and all those have a rear view had the GER standard type coal guards ( except those modified by Gresley which were totally different so we won’t go there,).

 

However the link in your post second picture, top line shows 69629 with the full length coal guards over the rear spectacle plates  as per the OR model of 69612. Joy of Joys the is at least one photo showing the OR model is true to at least one prototype.

 

For those who haven’t a clue what I am talking about the first two pics in the second row show the Gresley modifications  ie round spectacle plates with full coal guards, and a curved bunker. Further down there is a pic of an N7 running bunker first into Wheathampstead, with the half length coal guards and straight bunker to

 

As 69612 was built at Stratford and 69629 built at Gorton these full length coal guards seem to be non-standard modifications probably as a result of damage to the previous design , unless anyone has better information.

 

Oxford Rail still got the shape of the steam dome horribly wrong for the later years of the class.

[great northern]

Tonight, 60501 seen from the Midland sidings.

 

 

[great northern]

Cock O' the North is now resting at Platform 2, and the cameraman, who hasn't seen it before, wants to get all angles of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tony Wright]

21 hours ago, great northern said:

Tonight, 60501 seen from the Midland sidings.

 

 

It's a lovely loco, Gilbert,

 

But you've got a recurring problem with Bachmann Mk.1s; pushed-in windows! 

 

I've had to fix several of mine down the years - a fag getting inside......................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[great northern]

60501 has gone on its way, so Doncaster A1 60114 can run through with the 7.50 Up Leeds.

 

 

[landscapes]

10 hours ago, great northern said:

60501 has gone on its way, so Doncaster A1 60114 can run through with the 7.50 Up Leeds.

 

 

Hi Gilbert

 

In my opinion that is a stunning photo, a lovely angle to show off the lines of the A1 Class and superb weathering.

 

Regards

 

David

[great northern]

A classic PN view this morning, as WP Allen coasts past North box.

 

 

[great northern]

And here is a not so classic view. You can almost hear the screeching sounds as Mons Meg negotiates the sharp curve into the bay.

 

 

I don't think this worked, really, but you never know till you try, do you?

[great northern]

Our last surviving C12 has had a trip down to the carriage sidings, and has propelled the stock for the 1033 to Kings Cross into Platform 2.

 

 

[BMacdermott]

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.8: Departmental Stock

 

Hello everyone

 

Welcome to the final Mini-Poll concerning rolling stock that has at least some connection with Peterborough North. I am running the Mini-Polls on behalf of Gilbert. We will move to the first of three PN Loco Mini-Polls on Sunday – one day earlier than normal timetable – details later.

 

You will find ‘an indication’ of what we are looking at via the suggested example diagrams in parentheses as it is often impossible to be ‘deadly precise’ with a 1-line descriptor. We take the view that ‘if it looks like a Ballast Wagon, it probably is a Ballast Wagon or a member of the same family’. Recent past experience is showing that makers are ‘tooling up’ to make as many variants as they can for any new model.

 

You can submit your wishes here, on the thread, as usual, or PM me direct if you prefer the ‘secret ballot’ method.

 

If you vote on the thread, please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selection – hopefully, that will promote some interesting debates – but please do not take it as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’!

 

Here’s what to do…

1. You may vote for any or all of the 10 items listed plus a response to item 11 (if you so wish)

2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 – with comments and explanations following.

4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

Ballast

1   Ballast Plough Brake Van – LNER (1926)

2   Ballast/Rail/Sleeper Wagon – LNER/BR Dolphin (Diag.99, BR Diag.1/639)

3   Ballast/Rail/Sleeper Wagon – BR Sturgeon (Diag.1/638 etc)

4   Ballast Wagon 4-wheel – BR Catfish (Diag.1/586)

 

Crane

5   Breakdown Crane – LNER – Cowans Sheldon 45-ton (1940)   

 

Inspection

6   Chief Engineer’s Saloon – LNER DE900580 (1936)

7   Dynamometer Car BR – DE320041, later DB999500 (1951)

8   Track Recorder – BR Matisa Neptune 4-wheel

 

Loco Coal

9   Loco Coal Wagon – LNER 4-wheel 21-ton – Wood (Diag.207)

10 Loco Coal Wagon – LNER 4-wheel 21-ton – Steel (Built 1935 & 1947)

 

11 Other Departmental Stock you would like to see made.

Please give an indication as succinctly as possible of anything not listed above that you would like to see made.

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

You have until 17.00 on Thursday 8 July. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 9 July.

 

I look forward to your selections and comments!

 

Brian

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

 

[BMacdermott]

Hello everyone

 

I am voting for four items in this Mini-Poll:

 

* Ballast Plough Brake Van – the LNER van had the ploughs ‘inside’ the wheelbase;

* Dolphin and Sturgeon – because they are ‘distinctive’, useful and can be run loaded or empty;

* Breakdown Crane – on the basis that it was one of this type that was allocated to New England (according to the Peter Tatlow wagons book).

 

Does anyone know how far south – if ever – the crane might have ventured?

 

Not LNER per se, but I guess Mr Duck will be with me in putting the SR Walrus Ballast Wagon as an item I would like to see made!

 

Does anyone know if they got to Peterborough? Or did ballast for the area come from elsewhere?

 

Brian

[great northern]

As the C12 reverses away, the Norseman appears. We know that is what it is, as someone has found a headboard in the dark recesses of a cupboard, something the loco very rarely seemed to carry.

 

 

I did though find, just a few days ago, a photo taken in July 58 with the headboard attached, so I decided to include it now and again.

[great northern]

1 hour ago, BMacdermott said:

00 Rolling Stock Mini-Poll No.8: Departmental Stock

 

Hello everyone

 

Welcome to the final Mini-Poll concerning rolling stock that has at least some connection with Peterborough North. I am running the Mini-Polls on behalf of Gilbert. We will move to the first of three PN Loco Mini-Polls on Sunday – one day earlier than normal timetable – details later.

 

You will find ‘an indication’ of what we are looking at via the suggested example diagrams in parentheses as it is often impossible to be ‘deadly precise’ with a 1-line descriptor. We take the view that ‘if it looks like a Ballast Wagon, it probably is a Ballast Wagon or a member of the same family’. Recent past experience is showing that makers are ‘tooling up’ to make as many variants as they can for any new model.

 

You can submit your wishes here, on the thread, as usual, or PM me direct if you prefer the ‘secret ballot’ method.

 

If you vote on the thread, please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selection – hopefully, that will promote some interesting debates – but please do not take it as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’!

 

Here’s what to do…

1. You may vote for any or all of the 10 items listed plus a response to item 11 (if you so wish)

2. They must be items you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 – with comments and explanations following.

4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

Ballast

1   Ballast Plough Brake Van – LNER (1926)

2   Ballast/Rail/Sleeper Wagon – LNER/BR Dolphin (Diag.99, BR Diag.1/639)

3   Ballast/Rail/Sleeper Wagon – BR Sturgeon (Diag.1/638 etc)

4   Ballast Wagon 4-wheel – BR Catfish (Diag.1/586)

 

Crane

5   Breakdown Crane – LNER – Cowans Sheldon 45-ton (1940)   

 

Inspection

6   Chief Engineer’s Saloon – LNER DE900580 (1936)

7   Dynamometer Car BR – DE320041, later DB999500 (1951)

8   Track Recorder – BR Matisa Neptune 4-wheel

 

Loco Coal

9   Loco Coal Wagon – LNER 4-wheel 21-ton – Wood (Diag.207)

10 Loco Coal Wagon – LNER 4-wheel 21-ton – Steel (Built 1935 & 1947)

 

11 Other Departmental Stock you would like to see made.

Please give an indication as succinctly as possible of anything not listed above that you would like to see made.

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

You have until 17.00 on Thursday 8 July. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 9 July.

 

I look forward to your selections and comments!

 

Brian

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from me in my ‘personal capacity’.)

 

Well with the District Engineer housed right by the main line, I could certainly find a home for some of these.

 

So, 1.2. 5.6.9.10.

 

1 and 2 to give some Engineer's stock, 5, because the crane must sometimes have emerged from the old shed, 6 as the boss must have somewhere nice to sit, and 9 and 10 because I can't have too many coal wagons.

 

I could justify all of these really though.

[great northern]

On 03/07/2021 at 20:05, Tony Wright said:

It's a lovely loco, Gilbert,

 

But you've got a recurring problem with Bachmann Mk.1s; pushed-in windows! 

 

I've had to fix several of mine down the years - a fag getting inside......................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

I've just done a rough count Tony, and I have over 100 of them. It isn't hard to pop the windows, so it isn't surprising that there will be two or three at any given time. Murphy's law dictates that they will be visible when I take photos. Tim can repair them in no time flat, and did two or three when he was here a few days back, but this photo was taken before his visit.

[Podhunter]

On 03/07/2021 at 20:05, Tony Wright said:

a fag getting inside

Just add a No Smoking sign to each window.

[BMacdermott]

1 minute ago, Podhunter said:

Just add a No Smoking sign to each window.

 

Or perhaps No Poking?

 

Brian