RMweb Premium Edward Posted September 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2021 On 15/09/2021 at 12:34, great northern said: Without wishing to be unduly contentious, may I ask this. If you discovered the tender wheels to be the wrong type, would that alone cause you to decide not to buy a model? My view is that on any RTR model there will be things that are wrong. They may be mistakes by the manufacturer in the tooling process, lack of proper research, or quite possibly things in the manufacturing process that just aren't able to reproduce some detail with complete fidelity. There is the question of cost too. Will any sane manufacturer go to extreme lengths to get every single detail correct, even if it is possible, if the result will be that the price will be so high that prospective purchasers in droves will be put off buying? In the case of the Bachmann V2, one has to look closely to see what type the tender wheels are. Does the fact that they may be the wrong type unduly detract from the overall impression of the model? And is that sufficient to cause a decision not to buy it? That has to come down to a matter of personal preference, and I would suggest that it is not going to concern the majority of prospective purchasers. I think the answer would be yes to a purchase. As a modeller one has to make many decisions right from the outset ranging from the fundamental such as which scale, era, type of rail & gauge let alone where do my interests lie : fact or fictional setting. So when on the rare occasion a manufacturer produces a model which fits the basic criteria, you are more likely than not to buy it. ( Of course assuming it is within your budget), I agree that its general appearance rather than particular details would be more important. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 16, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 A stationary 9F at the excursion platform now, which is being passed by another on the slow, with more empties. That one too will be stationary very soon. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 17, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 We are in the dead hour now, so another load of coal can be started on the haul to Ferme Park. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 17, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Lovely day today, as I had a visit from our duck and 31A Steve. Clive should have been with us too, but sadly he isn't feeling too well at the moment. Anyway, two more people have now been able to see the V2 in the flesh, as it were, to watch it run, and to hear it too. I shall leave them, should they so wish, to give you their views about it. Some looking at books, talking about V2s on the Southern, and other things, but just great to be able to spend a pleasant few hours with friends again. Now to a train, though this one had arrived some days ago, and left long before the guys arrived. This is the 2.52 Newcastle, a Friday relief to the 3.10. It has a Grantham A3, and a cameraman who is extremely foolhardly, even if he has some one on the platform ready to shout "Its behind you". I reckon the footsteps of the A3 will get him anyway. Edited September 17, 2021 by great northern one comma too many 24 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted September 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, great northern said: Lovely day today, as I had a visit from our duck and 31A Steve. Clive should have been with us too, but sadly he isn't feeling too well at the moment. Anyway, two more people have now been able to see the V2 in the flesh, as it were, to watch it run, and to hear it too. I shall leave them, should they so wish, to give you their views about it. Yes it was a lovely day, to be able to just sit and chat about model and real railway matters, share a generous lunch (sorry Clive!), and admire Peterborough North again. And a real privilege to be able to admire the new V2 model 'in the flesh'. I'm sure many of the niggles expressed further up the thread would evaporate when the actual model is seen; most concerns raised seemed to be a case of unfair exposure by enlarged digital photography viewed on computer screens, and we were able to see how clearly it is a huge step forward when compared to its 30+ years old predecessor. Gilbert demonstrated its exemplary performance and sound system, and we saw it pulling the 40 wagon train round the layout (with relatively tight curves at each end) with apparent ease and no sign of slipping. I tried to get him to part with it, to no avail. And I now know that the 'boxes' on the front of the old V2 model's tender have been wrong all along! 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Fox 34F Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 hours ago, great northern said: Lovely day today, as I had a visit from our duck and 31A Steve. Clive should have been with us too, but sadly he isn't feeling too well at the moment. Anyway, two more people have now been able to see the V2 in the flesh, as it were, to watch it run, and to hear it too. I shall leave them, should they so wish, to give you their views about it. Some looking at books, talking about V2s on the Southern, and other things, but just great to be able to spend a pleasant few hours with friends again. Now to a train, though this one had arrived some days ago, and left long before the guys arrived. This is the 2.52 Newcastle, a Friday relief to the 3.10. It has a Grantham A3, and a cameraman who is extremely foolhardly, even if he has some one on the platform ready to shout "Its behind you". I reckon the footsteps of the A3 will get him anyway. Never stand in the 6 foot way! Paul p.s. The V2 is impressive. Perhaps a side by side 3/4 front photo with original model by Bachman will help to show the improvements? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2021 A3 rolling through non stop. Plenty of lattices to cope with, as usual, but at least the photographer is safer this time. If that 9F starts moving, we are in for a major incident. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted September 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 52 minutes ago, Flying Fox 34F said: Never stand in the 6 foot way! Paul p.s. The V2 is impressive. Perhaps a side by side 3/4 front photo with original model by Bachman will help to show the improvements? The problem is Paul, that the camera does lie, or at least in can when I'm behind it. It really is hard to explain how some of the apparent defects that people have seen from my earlier photos either don't exist at all, or have been considerably magnified. Seeing is believing. I understand that the gap between the arrival of air freighted locos for review, and the production run, is normally about six weeks. We live in abnormal times, but hopefully it won't be too long before everyone can see them for themselves. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 Yo. I have awoken after a great day at PN, great company, but missing a poorly pal, sadly. I took my own victuals as I have issues with food intolerance. Not only am I an intolerant old git, but I am also a food intolerance old git. Eat (see what I did there?) your heart out Meldrew. I learned More about V2s than 1940s German Scientists. Boxes on the Tender front Plate, verboten. Pathetic, deflated Domes, verboten. Horrible shape Boilers, verboten. Daft shape Fireboxes, verboten. In fact, all historic errors......verboten. The New version of this particular V2 is excellent. The improved Tender is a huge improvement; as for type of wheels it has at this time, well I couldn't see them until the loco was lifted off the track (very carefully) and even then I had to stick my nose into the side frames. Ran as smooth as a smoothy and has real power and excellent slow control. Sound programme is rather complex for a dullard like myself, but it sounds like an ex works V2...that is, weird! As a small criticism, I would agree that the SB Door is too thick when viewed from the side, however I would not have noted that without having been shown the pics of the real things. I have a passing interest in these Engines due to a 1953 incident, on the WOEML, at Crewkerne. I noted the following for loaned Engines to Western Division on the SR: front footsteps removed and C0ck Pipes supported by strip of metal suspended from FP; it was also pointed out that an additional Lamp Iron was attached to front right on the SB Door as you view from front. Thanks Steve. I also noted something and being smug I thought that that it would cause an eruption of froth. I was totally wrong however and the rear Pony Truck plates may well need to be smoothed off, if anyone can be arsed to bother to do that. Can they, will they? Really? I won't buy this beautiful Green (Congrats Baccy) version, but I would buy a single Chimney Black one with early 50s markings and no steam pipes and I have almost zero need for one. Apart from that PN looked as good as ever and I now have some extra Books to keep me busy (thanks G) and a few bits and pieces of extra Stock (thanks Steve). Phil 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 Southern region black or just boring black? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tim Dubya said: Southern region black or just boring black? Deffo SR Black with a suitable Coating of Nine Elms crud. P 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted September 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Deffo SR Black with a suitable Coating of Nine Elms crud. P These engines came from either New England or Doncaster, so no additional crud would have been needed. The chances of either shed cleaning them before sending then down south would be minimal, and the chances of a nice clean newly outshopped engine being sent would be nil. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2021 Steve did not arrive empty handed yesterday, he brought with him this lovely little van, another addition to grace PN. I will leave him to explain how he did it, as it was by no means straightforward. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post 31A Posted September 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2021 Thanks Gilbert, I'm glad you like it! I enjoyed building it. Here are a couple more pictures of it before it left Finsbury Square for Peterborough. Earlier in the year Gilbert passed me an old Comet pack containing the sides and ends for an LNER Dia. 120 four wheeled passenger brake (BY). As some will know, this type of van has since been produced by Chivers Finelines as a plastic kit; and it transpires that Wizard Models now offer a complete kit for it in the Comet range as well. The LNER also had some very similar BYs which were produced by building new bodies on the wooden underframes from ex GNR four wheeled suburban coaches - these were given diagram numbers 170, 176 and 177. For various reason I decided to use the Comet sides to produce one of them: The Comet sides do not show the difference between the opening and fixed toplights that the Dia. 120 vans had - the 'rebuilt' vans only had fixed toplights. The axle box / spring castings recommended in the Comet instructions for the complete kit did not seem to lend themselves to the unusual 'inside spring' arrangement of the Dia. 120 vans. You do not often see models of the 'rebuilt' vans. At this point I should like to thank @Headstock for a lot of useful information given in the 'Wright Writes" thread a while back, and for the links to these photos on Flickr which were also very useful. https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/29658817637/in/album-72157604142594351/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/45351857012/in/album-72157604142594351/ I decided to ignore the slight difference in overall length (it is only a matter of less than a millimetre or so at each end) but I did adjust the wheelbase from 19ft to 19ft 6ins. The Comet underframe recommended in the Wizard instructions is intended for this type of van, and also the LMS 6w Gangwayed Brake (BGZ - 'Stove R'). As such it includes a choice of solebars and I used the 'plain' ones intended for the BGZ, to represent the wooden ex GNR underframe. I found a piece of square brass rod which was suitable to thicken the ends of the headstocks, to make them look like wooden headstocks. The step boards are from Eileen's Emporium 3mm x 1.5mm milled brass L section, the smaller side soldered to the solebar. This makes a strong and straight step board, but needs a big iron to solder it! The buffers were whitemetal ones from the Mainly Trains range (Wizard again), sold as GWR Coach Buffers. I put brass washers behind them to represent the wooden spacers that the real ones had behind the buffers. I used the axle boxes from the Comet castings, but removed the springs and substituted MJT 2289 6' 6" Coach Springs, which looked as close as I could get to drawings of GNR 4 and 6 wheeled stock. The battery boxes appear to have been 'standard' LNER double battery boxes, but these seem to have come in different sizes. The only ones I had represented the longer sort (for corridor coaches) and would not fit, so I made shorter ones from plasticard, copying the dimensions from the Hornby non gangwayed LNER coaches. The dynamo is an MJT item, as is the brake cylinder and V hangers. On the body, the pictures showed that these vans had toplights (rather than ventilator hoods) on all except the Guard's door, so I cut out the solid areas above the other doors to allow these to be glazed as toplights. Later I found a picture of one with ventilator hoods on all the doors! Another difference between these vans and the Dia. 120 was that they usually seem to have had an additional vertical handrail to the left of the Guard's door (on the edge of the left hand of the double doors) so I added this. The Guard's ducket is an MJT etching, and the roof is a section of the MJT aluminium LNER coach roof. Yet another distinctive feature of these 'rebuilt' vans is that they had three torpedo ventilators on the roof, rather than four. Painting was Halford's etch primer then Railmatch BR crimson, from rattle cans. By chance I already had a sheet of Cambridge Custom Transfers transfers which gave me the numbers and other insignia for E70324E, the prototype of which is shown in one of the linked photos. The weathering is quite restrained in order not to obscure the lettering; so restrained that it doesn't really show in the photos! So there we are; I was very pleased with the result - I think it has produced a well proportioned model of a subtly different type of vehicle. 17 12 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 18, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2021 Once more, the view from Spital Bridge. I do wish I could push the outside wall back a bit, so that I could get the loco more in the middle of the composition. If I did though, I'd have quite a long fall into the pond. 32 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 19, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 A few quiet minutes, then the signal is pulled off on the Up, and a well cleaned KX A1 appears, at the head of another Friday relief, from the West Riding this time. 33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 19, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 Another view of Great Eastern, from somewhere up above. 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 20, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2021 A day of unaccustomed drama, as my drive gets professionally cleaned. D.I.Y doesn't really seem to work for that job. Anyway, here is that shining A1 waiting time, and being passed by the 2.45 from Hitchin. The trouble with these high level views is that one can't disguise the fact that the bridges end abruptly. 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 20, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Back to level ground, the A1 has gone on its way, the pilot has brought in the stock, and the B17 which has been resting by the coaling stage has backed on. 61630 will be on its way soon with the 4.25 Harwich. I put a tiny smidge of white tac nearly behind the lamp to stop it falling forward. That worked but the camera gleefully highlights my slight error. Edited September 20, 2021 by great northern spelling 22 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) On 18/09/2021 at 13:44, great northern said: Once more, the view from Spital Bridge. I do wish I could push the outside wall back a bit, so that I could get the loco more in the middle of the composition. If I did though, I'd have quite a long fall into the pond. I know you requested that I do not post here again Gilbert but this lovely shot really does evoke the real thing, super modelling even if the extra tracks are in the imagination.. pic removed as copyright unclear Sorry. Edited September 20, 2021 by robmcg copyright issue 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted September 20, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, robmcg said: I know you requested that I do not post here again Gilbert but this lovely shot really does evoke the real thing, super modelling even if the xtra tracks are in the imagination.. Will remove if I have caused offence. Copyright? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Sorry I thought it was public domain. I'll remove it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 21, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 Another lull in traffic on the Up allows a J6 to trundle through with a transfer working from New England to Stanground sidings at East. 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 21, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 The 3.10 Newcastle, one of KX's premier duty, but there are no qualms about rostering an A3 to the job, as this one has a double chimney. 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted September 22, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2021 More monochrome this morning, as Woolwinder emerges from the gloom, into what looks like only slightly less gloom. Tim is due in a couple of hours, and you know what that means....goodies. 23 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now