Peterborough North

[davidw 1,149]

On 05/11/2020 at 16:55, great northern said:

I'm still pondering over what we could do to lighten the mood during lockdown, but I did take note of those who said they enjoy pictures of carriages. The 6.10 Down Friday only is a West Riding relief, and features nearly the same formation as the Catterick leave train. It is also shown as working out of KX quite early the following morning, another summer Saturday only job. Here it is.

 

 

Your coach rakes are an inspiration!

[great northern 124,980]

Another still life this morning, but the sun is out, so I hope to run trains and photograph them later.

 

 

 

 

 

[great northern 124,980]

I found another picture that hadn't been photoshopped. It shows 60514 going round the bend.

 

 

the sun has disappeared again, but hopefully only temporarily, so I think I'll paint some more little people.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, great northern said:

60514 going round the bend.

 

Like many of us then!

[Sandhole 641]

On 05/11/2020 at 16:55, great northern said:

I'm still pondering over what we could do to lighten the mood during lockdown, but I did take note of those who said they enjoy pictures of carriages. The 6.10 Down Friday only is a West Riding relief, and features nearly the same formation as the Catterick leave train. It is also shown as working out of KX quite early the following morning, another summer Saturday only job. Here it is.

 

 

Question.
You run a lot of Kirk Gresleys don't you?
I have a mass of these coaches in a painted sides ready to assemble.
Have you put separate door handles and grab handles on them? Thanks to my near death experience during lockdown and the fact that I think the handles on the sides look good when painted, I'm going to build these sides, as is.
They will obey the belt and braces rule and my mortality has been impressed upon me.
Would appreciate your opinion, please.

[great northern 124,980]

2 hours ago, Sandhole said:

Question.
You run a lot of Kirk Gresleys don't you?
I have a mass of these coaches in a painted sides ready to assemble.
Have you put separate door handles and grab handles on them? Thanks to my near death experience during lockdown and the fact that I think the handles on the sides look good when painted, I'm going to build these sides, as is.
They will obey the belt and braces rule and my mortality has been impressed upon me.
Would appreciate your opinion, please.

I actually only have eight Kirks, four corridor and four non corridor. I sold a lot on years ago, which I regret now, actually. They were built over 30 years ago, so I had to go and have a look at them. Two of four corridor cars have handles, as do two of the non corridors . The others have none, so I reckon that I must have decided after doing the full job a few times that I'd had enough of it!  I did have to look quite closely to spot the difference just now.

 

Most of my Gresley stock is either professionally built, or resided Hornby cars, so they do have everything they should have. I wouldn't be able to see the handles now, let alone fit them.

[jwealleans 10,892]

3 hours ago, Sandhole said:

Have you put separate door handles and grab handles on them? Thanks to my near death experience during lockdown and the fact that I think the handles on the sides look good when painted, I'm going to build these sides, as is.

 

Far be it from me to try to dictate to anyone how to build their stock, but if you stick with the mouldings then you'll only have door handles and not the commode handle beside them.  I think those are one of the easiest and most effective ways to lift Kirk sides.  All of mine, especially the ones used on Grantham have been enhanced in that way.

 

[Sandhole 641]

16 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

 

Far be it from me to try to dictate to anyone how to build their stock, but if you stick with the mouldings then you'll only have door handles and not the commode handle beside them.  I think those are one of the easiest and most effective ways to lift Kirk sides.  All of mine, especially the ones used on Grantham have been enhanced in that way.

 

Thank you, I will bear that in mind.
All my coaches are vestibules bar one. That makes the job one heck of a sight easier.

[Sandhole 641]

58 minutes ago, great northern said:

I actually only have eight Kirks, four corridor and four non corridor. I sold a lot on years ago, which I regret now, actually. They were built over 30 years ago, so I had to go and have a look at them. Two of four corridor cars have handles, as do two of the non corridors . The others have none, so I reckon that I must have decided after doing the full job a few times that I'd had enough of it!  I did have to look quite closely to spot the difference just now.

 

Most of my Gresley stock is either professionally built, or resided Hornby cars, so they do have everything they should have. I wouldn't be able to see the handles now, let alone fit them.

Your last point is relevant to me.
I have put handles on my articulated suburban set and the BSL artic corridor set.
My coaches are all vestibules bar one.
I'll give it some serious thought.
Thank you Gilbert, as always, you have been very helpful.

[great northern 124,980]

The second Down Cleethorpes is at Platform 3.

 

 

and there are some vans at the loading dock.

 

 

Only the camera could make this surface look like a ploughed field.

[great northern 124,980]

Good morning. The rain has stopped, and the sun is out. At PN it is now about 8.15pm, and a Spital Bridge D16 comes in with a local for Leicester.

 

 

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The D16 has come to rest beneath the canopy, and that always needs to be photographed.

 

 

Now that's an interesting coach behind the tender. Let's have a closer look.

 

 

Who can identify it?

[Market65 6,428]

Good evening, Gilbert. I’ve been looking through the good book by Hugh Longworth, British Railways Pre Nationalisation Coaching Stock, Volume 2, SR and LMS. In pages 407/8, the LYR Hughes, non corridor thirds are covered, to diagram 98. 54’ 0” x 8’ 10 1/2 “. 25tons 15 cwt. M15204M, is one from lot number N31. It was introduced in 1921, (no other information is given), and withdrawn in October, 1959. The original number was 13860. 
A fascinating subject, railway carriages.

 

Best regards,

 

 Rob.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Market65
To correct a spelling error.

[great northern 124,980]

B1 and Ivatt wait for the off. The B1 will get it first.

 

 

Indeed, the B1 has now left, and the Ivatt has a few minutes to wait still, so an 02 with a mixed goods from Letchworth has time to slip through on the main.

 

 

[great northern 124,980]

11 hours ago, Market65 said:

Good evening, Gilbert. I’ve been looking through the good book by Hugh Longworth, British Railways Pre Nationalisation Coaching Stock, Volume 2, SR and LMS. In pages 407/8, the LYR Hughes, non corridor thirds are covered, to diagram 98. 54’ 0” x 8’ 10 1/2 “. 25tons 15 cwt. M15204M, is one from lot number N31. It was introduced in 1921, (no other information is given), and withdrawn in October, 1959. The original number was 13860. 
A fascinating subject, railway carriages.

 

Best regards,

 

 Rob.

That's what I'd call an exhaustive reply Rob, and absolutely correct too. I though that might be one of the more difficult ones.

[great northern 124,980]

Another plonk, on this rather dismal and very damp afternoon.

 

 

Pilots waiting for something to do. The C12 will get some work, but the V2 may not.

[great northern 124,980]

02 on its way, and signalled into the yards.

 

 

and after it has dragged its load across the Up main and out of the way, the first New Clee fish can head south.

 

 

[2750Papyrus 940]

Having worked In Letchworth for many years and owning a model Country Gentlemens (sic) Association coal wagon, I have often wondered about goods train workings to and from the North.  I had assumed that wagons were dropped off at Hitchin for connection to an appropriate main line or Cambridge branch train.  However, your O2 is working a through goods.  Please  do you know if the loco joined hauled the train (tender first?) from Letchworth and ran round it at Hitchin or did it relieve a local engine at the latter? 

[great northern 124,980]

The New Clee fish gets closer, and we can see that the loco is one of ours, 61023.

 

 

A few minutes of quiet follow, after which 92188 starts its journey to Ferme Park with more coal.

 

 

[great northern 124,980]

1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said:

Having worked In Letchworth for many years and owning a model Country Gentlemens (sic) Association coal wagon, I have often wondered about goods train workings to and from the North.  I had assumed that wagons were dropped off at Hitchin for connection to an appropriate main line or Cambridge branch train.  However, your O2 is working a through goods.  Please  do you know if the loco joined hauled the train (tender first?) from Letchworth and ran round it at Hitchin or did it relieve a local engine at the latter? 

Can't help with that, I'm afraid. Dear departed Andy Rush told me that the train would have vans with produce from Letchworth, but also, as with so many other nortbound trains, a raft of coal empties as well. It could be that the vans were worked to Hitchin and the empties attached there, but I don't know for sure.

[Joseph_Pestell 12,980]

1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said:

Having worked In Letchworth for many years and owning a model Country Gentlemens (sic) Association coal wagon, I have often wondered about goods train workings to and from the North.  I had assumed that wagons were dropped off at Hitchin for connection to an appropriate main line or Cambridge branch train.  However, your O2 is working a through goods.  Please  do you know if the loco joined hauled the train (tender first?) from Letchworth and ran round it at Hitchin or did it relieve a local engine at the latter? 

 

Having taken a look at the track layout at Hitchin, it seems a bit unlikely. The shunt moves involved would take up a lot of track capacity although it could be done with a station pilot.

I think it more probable that the wagons would have travelled further south to a marshalling yard before returning northwards.

[great northern 124,980]

11 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Having taken a look at the track layout at Hitchin, it seems a bit unlikely. The shunt moves involved would take up a lot of track capacity although it could be done with a station pilot.

I think it more probable that the wagons would have travelled further south to a marshalling yard before returning northwards.

Would Letchworth have received loaded coal earlier in the day though, possibly off the New England- KX Goods pick up? In that case, assuming sufficient siding capacity at Letchworth, the whole train could have started there and just joined the main line at Hitchin. I know locos ran light from Hornsey to run empties from New Southgate and I think other places, so the same could happen here.

[G567281 43]

I love viewing your passenger train formations.  Does your modelling period warrant running the Tees-Thames which was introduced in the late 50’s for approx 3 years ?. It was a restaurant car express and consisted of two portions, one from  Saltburn by the sea and the other from West Hartlepool if I am not mistaken in late 1958.  York engines were used for the run to London and it’s return.

 

best regards

 

Alan

[great northern 124,980]

59 minutes ago, G567281 said:

I love viewing your passenger train formations.  Does your modelling period warrant running the Tees-Thames which was introduced in the late 50’s for approx 3 years ?. It was a restaurant car express and consisted of two portions, one from  Saltburn by the sea and the other from West Hartlepool if I am not mistaken in late 1958.  York engines were used for the run to London and it’s return.

 

best regards

 

Alan

Just too late for me, I'm afraid.  The sequence I run is from the Summer 58 WTT, and the Tees-Thames hadn't been invented by then.

[great northern 124,980]

Two more high level views of the 9F tonight.