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"I confess that I really like the first one though. I know it breaks the rules, but it has impact, for me anyway."

 

I agree, I really like the contrast of the sunny day outside, then the dull interior.

The shot emphasises the length of the train too.

 

Syd

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2 hours ago, great northern said:

Well, as it happens this was the next shot.

 

 

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I confess that I really like the first one though. I know it breaks the rules, but it has impact, for me anyway.

Personal preference of course, but that seems much more atmospheric to me. The little bit of light reflecting off the loc makes all the difference, I think.

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12 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Jazzer

 

They were known as Hertford Quads but they worked right trough to Cambridge on some services from what I can find out.   Most were taken out of service in the late fifties but one set survived until 1963.

Thanks Clive , that’s interesting ( to me anyway).  The North Woolwich branch was where a lot of old stock ended their days, primarily I suppose because most passengers would have been factory or dock workers in dirty clothes or overalls rather than shoppers or City gents, so I suppose what I saw might well have been the sole surviving Hertford set. 

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Hello jazzer

 

There is a Brian Pask photo of a GE Section Quad-Art on its way to North Woolwich on page 75 of London's East End Railways, Part 2.

 

The caption says late 1950s. The train loco - N7 No.69731 - is noted in the Modelmaster Allocations books as having been withdrawn in February 1959, so it no doubt pre-dates that.

 

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6 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello Chris

 

We have only listed A5/1 here, so I have logged your A5/2 as 'a suggestion'. 

 

The criterion for the suggestion at 6 was that they must have 'a PN connection'. Does the C13 have a connection?

 

Brian

I know C13s were seen occasionally at Retford.
I cannot say definitely for Peterborough. Perhaps Gilbert knows something.
Chris.

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Dare I suggest, for the type of company that likes to commission interesting prototypes, that the NER's EE1 4-6-4 No.13 would probably sell a lot better than it's service record would have you believe?

I have absolutely no prototype justification for it. But it looks awesome, like nothing else we ever saw in this country, and I'd definitely have one.

 

I think this is the closest poll to mention it in. It is clearly a passenger loco, and it's clearly not a tender loco, even though it was built to haul top-link ECML passenger trains. The trains would run through PN, even though the loco would have been attached to them slightly further north...

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6 hours ago, Sandhole said:

I know C13s were seen occasionally at Retford.
I cannot say definitely for Peterborough. Perhaps Gilbert knows something.
Chris.

I can't see how a C13 would get to Peterborough. Retford just maybe, as some were shedded in the Sheffield area, but there were none close enough to PN for one to be seen there. Not in the late 50s, anyway.

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14 hours ago, Bloodnok said:

Dare I suggest, for the type of company that likes to commission interesting prototypes, that the NER's EE1 4-6-4 No.13 would probably sell a lot better than it's service record would have you believe?

I have absolutely no prototype justification for it. But it looks awesome, like nothing else we ever saw in this country, and I'd definitely have one.

 

I think this is the closest poll to mention it in. It is clearly a passenger loco, and it's clearly not a tender loco, even though it was built to haul top-link ECML passenger trains. The trains would run through PN, even though the loco would have been attached to them slightly further north...

 

Hello Bloodnok

 

The criterion for this Mini-Poll is as stated in the introduction, viz: Welcome to the second of three planned Mini-Polls concerning locos with a connection to Peterborough North.

 

I can't see that your suggestion meets that.

 

Brian

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Final Call for Votes - PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.2: Passenger – Tank

 

Hello everyone

 

A reminder that  your 'Polling Station' closes at 17.00 today.

 

If you haven't already voted. here’s what to do:

1 You may vote for any or all of the five items listed plus a response to item 6 (if you so wish)

2 They must be items with a ‘PN connection’ and which you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3 Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 5 – with comments and explanations following.

4 If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

4-4-2T

1. 4-4-2T GNR C12 (67350-67399)

 

0-6-2T

2. 0-6-2T GNR N1 (69430-69485)

3. 0-6-2T GNR N2 (69490-69596)

4. 0-6-2T MSLR N4/N5 (69225-69247, 69250-69370)

 

4-6-2T

5. 4-6-2T GCR/LNER A5/1 (69800-69829)

 

6 Your suggestions of any locos not listed above (They must have a ‘PN connection’)

Please give the company, wheel arrangement and class number (as per the list above).

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

Brian & Chris

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from Chris and me in a ‘personal capacity’.)

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20 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello jazzer

 

There is a Brian Pask photo of a GE Section Quad-Art on its way to North Woolwich on page 75 of London's East End Railways, Part 2.

 

The caption says late 1950s. The train loco - N7 No.69731 - is noted in the Modelmaster Allocations books as having been withdrawn in February 1959, so it no doubt pre-dates that.

 

Brian

Thanks for that Brian. There is a video of North Woolwich- Palace Gates which briefly shows the set number as Set 12. Does that throw any light on what set it is ? Apologies for drifting away from PN

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The GN quad arts had set numbers between 48 and 94 and the quints were higher numbers.

 

So this was neither of these unless it could have been 12x in which case it was a quint art (I think).

 

Hope that’s helpful.

 

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Hello Andy

 

We are actually talking about the GE Section Quad-Arts though.:)

 

I have always wondered why the GN types were called 'Quads' as they were designed to run as an 8-car set (barring exceptional circumstances and without passengers).

 

I suppose that - to railwaymen - the need to run as two 'correct but different sets' was patently obvious, but it does seem to cause confusion to some modellers.

 

And it isn't helped by the fact the North Norfolk Railway has a GN Quad which has been specially converted to run as 4-coaches!

 

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2 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello Andy

 

We are actually talking about the GE Section Quad-Arts though.:)

 

I have always wondered why the GN types were called 'Quads' as they were designed to run as an 8-car set (barring exceptional circumstances and without passengers).

 

I suppose that - to railwaymen - the need to run as two 'correct but different sets' was patently obvious, but it does seem to cause confusion to some modellers.

 

And it isn't helped by the fact the North Norfolk Railway has a GN Quad which has been specially converted to run as 4-coaches!

 

Brian

Brian,

 

I realise that. I was just trying to rule out the quints. 
 

They  were called quads because four coaches were articulated together in the same way as twin arts were two coaches coupled together. The twins rarely ran on their own but nobody says that’s confusing. Admittedly the GN quads were a little different as they always ran in trains of eight coaches (sometimes plus a strengthener). It does frustrate me how often one sees a single four car quad running on exhibition layouts. It’s not as if a full 8 car set is very long - similar to five mark 1s and with a good deal more character!

 

Andy

 

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I currently have models of all of these, though the A5 is in tiny pieces and is perhaps unlikely to run again, hence that would be my first choice.

 

I could be tempted to an upgrade of any of the models listed if produced RTR to modern standards.  I wonder if the imminent 100th anniversary of the preserved N2 could persuade Hornby into a new model?  Maybe they could use their expertise at reproducing a teak finish by teaming the N2 with a model of the quad-art set preserved on the NNR.

 

 

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Results – PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.2: Passenger – Tank

 

Hello everyone

 

Many thanks to the 13 voters who took part.

 

The number of votes to each item is shown in the left hand column and Comments Received are appended on a PDF as usual.

 

Please note that the results reflect the views of those who voted here and may not necessarily reflect those of the wider modelling community.

 

High Polling

9          A5/1 (69800-69829)

 

Middle Polling

8          C12 (67350-67399)

8          N1 (69430-69485)

8          N4/N5 (69225-69247, 69250-69370)

 

Low Polling

5          N2 (69490-69596)

 

Your suggestions of any locos not listed above (They must have had a ‘PN connection’)

There were no ‘PN connection’ suggestions.

 

We will be back on Monday with PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.3: Passenger Types – Tender.

 

Brian & Chris

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from Chris and me in a ‘personal capacity’.)

 

 

Mini-Poll PN Loco No.2 Passenger Tank Comments Received.pdf

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