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Oh Gilbert, I have sinned - I have not been paying attention, and thus missed the mini-poll and of course my vote would have been an N5 - thus taking it up to 9 and 'high polling' score.....so we're just waiting for it to be produced now!

 

Sorry to hear you have given up the golf, but if your back agrees then perhaps no bad thing.  Ageing is out of our control, just ask my foot.

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Brian/ Gilbert,

 

my votes are as follows:

11. A1/1. This is now a huge missing link for an GNML 1950s layout and is probably my no1 vote of any of your polls (although some pre grouping coaches would have been higher if allowed!).

7. B2. I have one kit built version but would like Royal Sovereign as that was a regular on the beer trains.

5. I would struggle to justify a K2 but they’re rather nice and I think they must have worked through to KX in the early ‘59s on occasion so I’d probably justify one. 
3. D3.  I could justify no.2000 on its directors saloon duties in the early fifties, so I’d go for that. None of the other D2 or D3s would be suitable for my layout.

4. I think a decorative valence D16/3 would have worked on the Cambridge beer trains in the early fifties so I’d go for one of them - they’re rather attractive after all.

13. 60503/60504. These had different boilers/cabs to the Hornby A2/2s and would not be an easy conversion. Therefore almost as big a missing link as the A1/1.

 

I wouldn’t vote for the others because either I’m perfectly happy with the RTR versions I have (K3, A1) or they have no credible link to the south end of the GNML in the ‘50s (P2, D2). I know the K3 has wheels which are too small but I’d never have noticed if someone hadn’t pointed it out. The bigger gap for me is the lack of front footsteps and I’ve scratch built some for mine. Anyway I have 5 (2 Bachmann, 3 SE Finecast/ Wills) and that’s probably 4 too many! I can’t see any obvious weakness in the Bachmann A1.

 

Andy

 

 

 

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Thanks Andy

 

Good point about 60503 and 60504.

 

Somerset & Dorset fans - of which I am one - have a similar problem with the S&D 7F 2-8-0. The 'large boiler' versions haven't been made and neither has 53807. This loco had a unique smokebox saddle when rebuilt.

 

I discussed the matter with Merl Evans (as I helped on the project) but his view was that tooling costs precluded it.

 

Brian

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I would buy

 

2-6-0

5 GNR K2 (61720-61794)

6 LNER K3 (61800-61992)

 

 

4-6-2

10 LNER A1 (60114-60162)  Yes the Bachmann model though tough and robust is looking a little dated. Personally I really hate the cartazzi representation

11 LNER A1/1 (60113) wouldn't buy - as I've already got a very well built one from GRKing and Morgan Gilbert

 

 

 

13 Peppercorn A2 for the same reason as 10 I'd also go with the thompson A2/2s 60503/4 and the A2/1s

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On 26/07/2021 at 08:19, BMacdermott said:

PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.3: Passenger – Tender

 

Hello everyone

 

Welcome to the third and final Mini-Poll concerning locos with a connection to Peterborough North.

 

The title is Passenger - Tender, but we appreciate that some were used on freight or parcels etc. It is simply to differentiate from the other two Mini-Polls (Freight Types and Passenger – Tank). I am running the Mini-Polls on behalf of Gilbert, but with the kind assistance of Chris Knowles-Thomas.

 

It is often impossible to be ‘deadly precise’ with a 1-line descriptor as many classes were altered over the years. We take the view that ‘if it looks like a K3, it probably is a K3’. Recent past experience is showing that makers are ‘tooling up’ to make as many variants as they can for any new model.

 

You can submit your wishes here, on the thread, as usual, or PM me direct if you prefer the ‘secret ballot’ method.

 

If you vote on the thread, please feel free to explain why you have chosen your selection – hopefully, that will promote some interesting debates – but please do not take it as an excuse to start up the old chestnut of ‘kits vs RTR’!

 

Here’s what to do:

1. You may vote for any or all of the 12 items listed plus a response to item 13 (if you so wish)

2. They must be items with a ‘PN connection’ and which you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 5 – with comments and explanations following.

4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

4-4-0 & 4-4-2

1 GNR C2 Atlantic

2 GNR D2

3 GNR D3

4 GER/LNER D16/3 Claud Hamilton – Decorative valance (in range 62501-62620)

 

2-6-0

5 GNR K2 (61720-61794)

6 LNER K3 (61800-61992)

 

4-6-0

7 LNER B2 (in range 61603-61671, but many are B17)

8 GER/LNER B12 (in range 61501-61563, but some are B12/4 and most are B12/3)

9 GER/LNER B12/4 (in range 61500-61532 but some are B12 and most are B12/3)

 

4-6-2

10 LNER A1 (60114-60162)

11 LNER A1/1 (60113)

 

2-8-2

12 LNER P2 Streamlined Style Nos.2003-2006 & Rebuilt Nos.2001/2

 

13 Your suggestions of locos not listed above. (They must have a ‘PN Connection’)

Please give the company, wheel arrangement and class number (as per the list above).

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

You have until 17.00 on Thursday 29 July to vote. However, I will stop earlier and advise if votes reach 50. I will present the results during the day on Friday 30 July. Following on a separate posting soon after will be a combined summary of the three Mini-Polls in the usual High, Middle and Low Polling format.

 

We look forward to your selections and comments!

 

Brian & Chris

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from Chris and me in a ‘personal capacity’.)

 

Hi Brian

 

I see you have listed LNER passenger engines which would have been seen at Peterborough North.  The MR/LMS/LMR ran trains through Peterborough North on route to Peterborough East following the closure of the MR's Peterborough Spital Bridge Station. Are you going to do a list of LMS locos as well?

 

If you are not can I suggest for my vote of number 13, a MR 483 class 2 4-4-0, a Belpaire class 3 4-4-0, a Johnson class 1 2-4-0, LTSR class 79 modified (LMS class 3P)  41949, 41969 and 41975 were Peterborough engines,

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Hello Clive

 

We weren't planning on doing any further PN Mini-Polls as we were focusing on the 'LNER side of matters'.

 

However, if Gilbert would like one, I'm happy to run it - but I would need 'list suggestions in writing' as the MR/LMS/LMR side of matters is not my area of expertise (and I guess not of Chris but stand for him to correct me there).

 

Over to Gilbert...

 

Brian

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3 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello Clive

 

We weren't planning on doing any further PN Mini-Polls as we were focusing on the 'LNER side of matters'.

 

However, if Gilbert would like one, I'm happy to run it - but I would need 'list suggestions in writing' as the MR/LMS/LMR side of matters is not my area of expertise (and I guess not of Chris but stand for him to correct me there).

 

Over to Gilbert...

 

Brian

Polls aside, how are you doing eye wise matey? All settled down now?

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5 hours ago, BMacdermott said:

Hello Clive

 

We weren't planning on doing any further PN Mini-Polls as we were focusing on the 'LNER side of matters'.

 

However, if Gilbert would like one, I'm happy to run it - but I would need 'list suggestions in writing' as the MR/LMS/LMR side of matters is not my area of expertise (and I guess not of Chris but stand for him to correct me there).

 

Over to Gilbert...

 

Brian

Thanks Brian.

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12 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Polls aside, how are you doing eye wise matey? All settled down now?

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Tkangs Fhil

 

My euyes aree 100% pufekt nuw amd I kan see tfe kaybooard souperbly weell.

 

Brian :jester:

 

PS Seriously, Phil, many thanks for your concern. I can honestly say that I am 100% happy with the result in all respects. I have a pair of very old glasses that are 95% good. I just have to wait for an optician appointment for new prescription glasses in about a month, then I'll be back to where I haven't been for about 18 months.

 

It wasn't 'seriously bad' but needed doing.:)

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9 minutes ago, BMacdermott said:

 

Tkangs Fhil

 

My euyes aree 100% pufekt nuw amd I kan see tfe kaybooard souperbly weell.

 

Brian :jester:

 

PS Seriously, Phil, many thanks for your concern. I can honestly say that I am 100% happy with the result in all respects. I have a pair of very old glasses that are 95% good. I just have to wait for an optician appointment for new prescription glasses in about a month, then I'll be back to where I haven't been for about 18 months.

 

It wasn't 'seriously bad' but needed doing.:)

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That is such good news. How the eyes can be worked on now would absolutely amaze Health workers form just 50 years ago.  We are so lucky here really.

All the best.

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10 hours ago, great northern said:

Here is Leicester's venerable 2P, 40452, shortly to be on its way home, a journey it will have made many times before.

 

 

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Nice engin; almost as 'andsome as a T9 :D but with teeny Tender.

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10 hours ago, great northern said:

Here is Leicester's venerable 2P, 40452, shortly to be on its way home, a journey it will have made many times before.

 

 

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Good morning Gilbert,

 

I trust you're keeping well.

 

What an interesting loco. I'm making assumptions here (a dangerous practice) but it looks like a Hornby 2P which has been altered to represent a Midland-built 2P, with RH-drive (can I just see where the boiler has been filled-in on this side?). The tender has certainly been changed if it is an ex-RTR 2P. I assume this is kit-built? Or, is it a Bachmann tender?

 

My compliments to whoever did the work.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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1 hour ago, BMacdermott said:

 

Tkangs Fhil

 

My euyes aree 100% pufekt nuw amd I kan see tfe kaybooard souperbly weell.

 

Brian :jester:

 

PS Seriously, Phil, many thanks for your concern. I can honestly say that I am 100% happy with the result in all respects. I have a pair of very old glasses that are 95% good. I just have to wait for an optician appointment for new prescription glasses in about a month, then I'll be back to where I haven't been for about 18 months.

 

It wasn't 'seriously bad' but needed doing.:)

As a BR safety film put it about 50 years ago "You're wearing your last pair of eyes now!" So pleased things have gone as expected. 

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13 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

As a BR safety film put it about 50 years ago "You're wearing your last pair of eyes now!" So pleased things have gone as expected. 

There was the poster with a similar message ‘you can always get another pair of goggles’.

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1 hour ago, great northern said:

A five minute wait for the 2P to get its breath back after the climb from East, and off it goes on its way.

 

 

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Hi Gilbert

 

What is the origin of the Midland 54ft third behind the 483 class loco?

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Good morning. For this poll, I’m voting for, 2, 4, 5, and 11.

The D2’s worked some Hull to York trains and would be useful for myself, and the D16 Claude Hamilton would come in useful too - one was used on a railtour through Market Weighton in 1957.

The K2 would be great to see RTR, and is a good class of engine. 

Finally, the A1/1, although controversial, to say the least, it would make a fascinating model along with plugging a gap in the ECML pacifics.
 

Rob.

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9 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Gilbert,

 

I trust you're keeping well.

 

What an interesting loco. I'm making assumptions here (a dangerous practice) but it looks like a Hornby 2P which has been altered to represent a Midland-built 2P, with RH-drive (can I just see where the boiler has been filled-in on this side?). The tender has certainly been changed if it is an ex-RTR 2P. I assume this is kit-built? Or, is it a Bachmann tender?

 

My compliments to whoever did the work.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

I am indeed well, thank you Tony. I've been meaning to ring you for ages. Could you tell me when would be convenient please?

 

The 2P is Tim's work, taking a Hornby loco, substituting a Bachmann tender, and making it look at least more like the real thing.

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8 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Gilbert

 

What is the origin of the Midland 54ft third behind the 483 class loco?

Larry Goddard built and painted it from one of his own range of kits, Clive. Probably took him about half a day.

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Ooops, nearly missed this poll!

 

I shall go for 1, 4, 5 and 7.

 

1 and 4 more for sentimental reasons as being elegant locos rather than ones which would fit the theme of my layout, although if I was ever to turn back the clock and get my 1930s stock out again, they would fit in well.

 

5 - K2 - possibly quite rare in London by the roughly 1958-1961 'window' of my layout but there were still a few about, and would make a nice model.

 

7 - B2 - I've been on about making one of these for years; have a Hornby B17 lined up to be a donor and (most of) a Crownline conversion kit, and various other useful bits & pieces but have mainly been put off by the thought of painting the BR Lined Green livery!  So an RTR one would be very welcome.

 

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5 for me Brian

 

Initially I wasn't going to vote this time as I've got all these covered, well maybe not quite I don't have a fully valenced D16/3 and my D3 is currently being built with its extended smokebox for a superheated version.

 

However, if any of these were to come onto the RTR market I'm sure I couldn't resist a nice LNER version lined out in red! Or indeed a Royal Claud in green.

 

Andrew

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Final Call for Votes - PN 00 Loco Mini-Poll No.3: Passenger – Tender

 

Hello everyone

 

A reminder that your 'Polling Station' closes at 1700 today with Results expected during tomorrow.

 

If you haven't already voted, here’s what to do:

1. You may vote for any or all of the 12 items listed plus a response to item 13 (if you so wish)

2. They must be items with a ‘PN connection’ and which you would realistically wish to buy if made RTR at ‘affordable prices’.

3. Submit your entries on this thread simply as (for example): 2, 4, 5 – with comments and explanations following.

4. If you vote by PM, please only list your selection of numbers without explanations.

 

4-4-0 & 4-4-2

1   GNR C2 Atlantic

2   GNR D2

3   GNR D3

4   GER/LNER D16/3 Claud Hamilton – Decorative valance (in range 62501-62620)

 

2-6-0

5   GNR K2 (61720-61794)

6   LNER K3 (61800-61992)

 

4-6-0

7   LNER B2 (in range 61603-61671, but many are B17)

8   GER/LNER B12 (in range 61501-61563, but some are B12/4 and most are B12/3)

9   GER/LNER B12/4 (in range 61500-61532 but some are B12 and most are B12/3)

 

4-6-2

10 LNER A1 (60114-60162)

11 LNER A1/1 (60113)

 

2-8-2

12 LNER P2 Streamlined Style Nos.2003-2006 & Rebuilt Nos.2001/2

 

13 Your suggestions of locos not listed above. (They must have a ‘PN Connection’)

Please give the company, wheel arrangement and class number (as per the list above).

 

Get your thinking caps on and get voting! I will acknowledge receipt of your vote via the ‘Thx’ tick box.

 

We look forward to your selections and comments!

 

Brian & Chris

(Note: These are ‘informal Polls for fun’ on Gilbert’s thread only and neither The 00 Wishlist Poll Team nor RMweb are specifically involved, apart from Chris and me in a ‘personal capacity’.)

 

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Hi folks,

 

I'm finding this thread fascinating as I also plan to model Peterborough North station, once I have managed to complete my attic conversion, although I will be modelling it as it was in the '80s; my teenage years and the era I started my interest in the railway. Of course, by then the canopy had been removed and there was a further platform added.

 

I have a good collection of diesel locos which were often seen in Peterborough in the 1980s, as well as a few steam locos (by then were only doing chartered runs; Mallard, Flying Scotsman, etc.). I also remember the 08 shunter that would often be seen resting around the side of the ticket office behind platform 1.

 

I've managed to find a few photos of the station in the '80s, but always interested to find more, with details such as the signals, I know lights were in use by the '80s, but I can't recall if the older semaphore signals were still in place. I will make a fresh thread once my loft conversion is underway and I can get started on the layout. I'll be modelling a few landmarks north of the station too - I'm still swithering whether to do Marholm crossing as the level crossing with signal box (where Walton station once was), or the concrete bridge which replaced it at the beginning of the '80s.

 

Also, I would like to mention what a marvellous job @great northern has done on Crescent Bridge and the ticket office / platform buildings. However, after trawling through the thread, can't find anything on how they were modelled, of course by the '80s, neither the platform buildings nor the bridge had changed much, so I'd be interested in using the same design & techniques for my layout.

 

Thanks @great northern for keeping this post active, I'll be taking some time out to read the entire thread in full.

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