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13 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

Tony,

 

Thanks for the photo. I attach some photos of the state of play on mine by way of comparison. The research I’ve done suggests the underframe should be rather different from both yours and Gilberts. The best picture I’ve found is in the blue Harris book on p106 which clearly shows the corridor side on which there are two additional battery boxes on the left of centre. This is consistent with the drawing so I’ve gone with that. I can’t find a good prototype picture of the kitchen side, but the drawings don’t show any additional boxes, so I’ve not added any. I can’t see any vacuum tanks, so I suspect they were between the battery boxes as on the Gresley Kitchen car and therefore invisible from normal viewing angles - therefore I’ve omitted them. The V hangers seem to be on the opposite side from Bachmann’s, so I’ve cut the Bachmann ones off and replaced with MJT.  They had heavy duty dynamos, so I’ve replaced the Bachmann ones with MJT BR Mk1 versions which look about right.

 

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My underframe looks messy from underneath, but I think it’s fine from the side view which is what counts, This represents my best guess and I wouldn’t claim it’s 100% right. Of course individual vehicles may have varied through time.

 

Gilbert, apologies for invading your thread with this rather esoteric subject. Please say if you’d rather I took it elsewhere.

 

Andy

Thanks Andy,

 

As Gilbert has mentioned, 'constructive' threads like this (and, I hope, Wright Writes) should have 'modelling' subjects in them.

 

One or two points, if I may, please?

 

Your underframe, especially the positions of the 'V'-hangers, looks more accurate than mine. 

 

Are you sure the dynamos should not be at right-angles to the main axis of the car? You've got them at an angle. I've never seen this before. Is this right? Surely it would mean that the belt would not work properly and be constantly under stress? In fact, with your arrangement, the pulley belt on the inner axles would be on the opposite side to the dynamo itself. I actually fitted the belts on mine (brass strip, soldered to the dynamo pulley, but truncated before the inner axles).

 

Have you altered the roof profile yet?

 

Your bogies are in exactly the right place.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

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34 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Phil, for balanced throws those bogie centres should be a scale 44ft 6in or 178mm apart. How "far in" they look will also depend on the bogie wheelbase, which doesn't affect the centres at all other than in some extreme cases of short coaches with long wheelbase bogies, where the centres would have to be closer together to stop the bogies sticking out past the headstocks.

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1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Thanks Andy,

 

As Gilbert has mentioned, 'constructive' threads like this (and, I hope, Wright Writes) should have 'modelling' subjects in them.

 

One or two points, if I may, please?

 

Your underframe, especially the positions of the 'V'-hangers, looks more accurate than mine. 

 

Are you sure the dynamos should not be at right-angles to the main axis of the car? You've got them at an angle. I've never seen this before. Is this right? Surely it would mean that the belt would not work properly and be constantly under stress? In fact, with your arrangement, the pulley belt on the inner axles would be on the opposite side to the dynamo itself. I actually fitted the belts on mine (brass strip, soldered to the dynamo pulley, but truncated before the inner axles).

 

Have you altered the roof profile yet?

 

Your bogies are in exactly the right place.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

Tony,

 

The dynamos should be at right angles as you say. They slipped a bit while the araldite was setting. That’s mainly what I meant by the underframe being a bit messy. But they look fine when viewed from the side, so I’m not going to bother, reglueing them. As I know you’ll agree, it’s a shame solder doesn’t work on plastic!

 

The roof profile has been altered, although using my slightly half hearted method rather than your take it all off and start again approach. I find it quite difficult to get the rain strips and destination board brackets back on neatly, so I only smooth the roof profile to the extent that I can without removing these. It’s not perfect, but IMHO gives 80% of the benefit for 20% of the effort. The photo below shows the roof before painting and illustrates my ‘reprofiling method’. 

 

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The resultant end profile is quite acceptable in my view.

 

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Andy

 

 

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If you're gentle, Andy, you can twist the dynamos on their cast legs so they are at right angles, even if the bases aren't.

 

I'm working on a triplet at the moment, with a great deal of help from Dave Jobling and I've found that the smaller offset box underneath is not a battery box but for the Frigidaire equipment.  Without a drawing it's hard to say for certain whether that's what yours is, but given the consistency of other features with Gresley cars I'd suggest it's likely.  Dave kindly made me a set of boxes for the kitchen car (the battery boxes are a different size as well) and I'll illustrate them when fitted (if the owner is in agreement). 

 

The destination board brackets are dead easy to do with Evergreen strip, I find.  Rainstrips are a bit more hit and miss.

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28 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

If you're gentle, Andy, you can twist the dynamos on their cast legs so they are at right angles, even if the bases aren't.

 

I'm working on a triplet at the moment, with a great deal of help from Dave Jobling and I've found that the smaller offset box underneath is not a battery box but for the Frigidaire equipment.  Without a drawing it's hard to say for certain whether that's what yours is, but given the consistency of other features with Gresley cars I'd suggest it's likely.  Dave kindly made me a set of boxes for the kitchen car (the battery boxes are a different size as well) and I'll illustrate them when fitted (if the owner is in agreement). 

 

The destination board brackets are dead easy to do with Evergreen strip, I find.  Rainstrips are a bit more hit and miss.

I’ll try the twisting Jonathan.

 

I agree the rainstrip is the difficult part. The destination brackets are OK on plastic roofs like this where I can use liquid cement, but on MJT metal roofs I still find them a real pain.

 

Are these kitchen car battery/ fridgidaire boxes available commercially?

 

Andy

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I'm afraid they're not.  I can probably slip you the drawing, but Dave made these initially for himself and then very kindly gave me them when I admired them.  He's currently building the Comet Triplet - have you looked in on his thread at all?  I've found it very useful indeed.  Right at the start he built a D10C which was a work of art.

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2 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

I'm afraid they're not.  I can probably slip you the drawing, but Dave made these initially for himself and then very kindly gave me them when I admired them.  He's currently building the Comet Triplet - have you looked in on his thread at all?  I've found it very useful indeed.  Right at the start he built a D10C which was a work of art.

You lot may not believe this but I have, in the past, actually cobbled together some undergubbins for various dining type coaches by modifying some MK 1 stuff from Southerrn Pride and also making some from plastic sheet. Rare thing for me to actually do anything like that due to idleness and probably not that accurate, but if you haver the pics and can recreate the 'look' then for me that is adequate.P

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4 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

You lot may not believe this but I have, in the past, actually cobbled together some undergubbins for various dining type coaches by modifying some MK 1 stuff from Southerrn Pride and also making some from plastic sheet. Rare thing for me to actually do anything like that due to idleness and probably not that accurate, but if you haver the pics and can recreate the 'look' then for me that is adequate.P

All this chatter about coaches under thingies reminds me of something I read regarding David Jenkinson and his scratchbuilt coaches. It went something like this, he was asked why didn't he put all the detail on the bottom, why only what was visible from normal viewing? His answer was he didn't build coaches that would fall off and turn over.

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When you use DCC you need all the details Clive!:clapping::tease:

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2 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Does that include crashing sounds on its noise chip as it comes off the track to show it has all the brake gear? :locomotive::locomotive::blackeye:

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1 hour ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Even includes sloshing sound of toilet tank splitting open and then the tinkling sound of breaking vanity basin and surround as well as crunching ballast. CV235.

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13 hours ago, jwealleans said:

I'm afraid they're not.  I can probably slip you the drawing, but Dave made these initially for himself and then very kindly gave me them when I admired them.  He's currently building the Comet Triplet - have you looked in on his thread at all?  I've found it very useful indeed.  Right at the start he built a D10C which was a work of art.

I hadn’t seen that thread. At a quick glance it looks good, especially as I have Comet triplet in the to do pile. I’m travelling to Scotland by train on Saturday, so will give it a good read then. Thanks.

 

Andy

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Gilbert.............You really had me fooled!! I thought I was looking at a photo of the real thing( seriously). Bloody great modelling.

 

Mike

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Good morning Gilbert. I think I have found an answer to your game with sticks and horrible little dimpled devil's eggs

You need one of these.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Garmin-Golf-Approach-GPS-G3/223532690679?hash=item340b962cf7:g:PQkAAOSwctVc7RhZ&frcectupt=true

 

Sell some of those out of shape 'ornybee Grizzleys and fund this amazing item.

A. G. Pro.

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1 hour ago, Mallard60022 said:

Good morning Gilbert. I think I have found an answer to your game with sticks and horrible little dimpled devil's eggs

You need one of these.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Garmin-Golf-Approach-GPS-G3/223532690679?hash=item340b962cf7:g:PQkAAOSwctVc7RhZ&frcectupt=true

 

Sell some of those out of shape 'ornybee Grizzleys and fund this amazing item.

A. G. Pro.

I had one of those Phil, but I now have a wristwatch which performs the same functions, like telling me how far I have to hit a shot in order to land in a pond. However, being a pooter type of thing, it has a mind of its own, so when I really do need to get a distance to something, I find that option is temporarily unavailable.

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3 hours ago, great northern said:

A last look at the V2, which has quite a long wait before it can go any further.

 

 

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Then I'm afraid we encounter an over excitable photographer. Having heard a distinctive chime whistle, and knowing the Elizabethan is due, we see the result of premature shutter pressing.

 

 

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Are Yes. The over excited photographer. I remember me well. Once got a lovely shot of 60103 in the sixties between North and east stations before it went under the bridge into East Station. Unfortunately I had not noticed the telegraph pole growing out of the chimney.

 

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On 30/05/2019 at 09:28, thegreenhowards said:

I’ll try the twisting Jonathan.

 

I agree the rainstrip is the difficult part. The destination brackets are OK on plastic roofs like this where I can use liquid cement, but on MJT metal roofs I still find them a real pain.

 

Are these kitchen car battery/ fridgidaire boxes available commercially?

 

Andy

Just seen that Southern Pride do an etch for fridge fronts for (probably ) Mk1 but they look OK to me.

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Just seen that Southern Pride do an etch for fridge fronts for (probably ) Mk1 but they look OK to me.

 

The box has the fridge mechanism in it, if I've understood,. it isn't a fridge in itself.

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