Peterborough North

[great northern]

The pick up goods from KX has nearly reached the end of its journey.

 

 

and as it adds to the smoke under the roof, it mixes with fumes of a different kind.

 

 

[great northern]

The train now arriving at Platform 6 is the 5.32pm to Leicester.

 

 

and a Welwyn Garden City to Colwick Class D comes under Crescent Bridge behind a local K3.

 

 

[great northern]

OK, here is the original of the J6 again.

 

 

and here is what I have set up this morning.

 

 

 

I tried some other angles. but this is as close as I am going to get. My take on this is that the ends of the carriages should be bigger and much sharper than I've been able to do. I can't see that can be achieved using the original shot above, as if I blow it up enough to be large enough to be seen it is just a fuzzy mess. I'm wondering if a colour image of the ends of some stock could then be manipulated to get the right size? Any other solutions are more than welcome.

[phil.c]

Lots of variables needed when trying to match up perspective, exact scale, distance and track curvature, the right lense and angles etc etc, but this a pretty good

 

I've moved the signal box a tad to get it closer, still not exact due to size etc.

 

[great northern]

2 hours ago, phil.c said:

Lots of variables needed when trying to match up perspective, exact scale, distance and track curvature, the right lense and angles etc etc, but this a pretty good

 

I've moved the signal box a tad to get it closer, still not exact due to size etc.

 

Well, that's astounding!  I suppose angles and perspective would mean that what looks right from here might not from elsewhere, but I'm even more determined now to get something on that back wall, as it makes such a huge difference.

[phil.c]

The sidings under the bridge are at the right angle/level compared to the other picture which was taken I think at a higher view, now if only this picture of the sidings were at a high resolution then printing them as a backscene would become a possibility

[great northern]

1 hour ago, phil.c said:

The sidings under the bridge are at the right angle/level compared to the other picture which was taken I think at a higher view, now if only this picture of the sidings were at a high resolution then printing them as a backscene would become a possibility

So do I need to try to track down the original Phil? I may be able to do that.

[great northern]

Back to PN happenings, and the K3 heading North. I doubt it will get as far as Colwick though.

 

 

 

Next to arrive was the very lightweight 4.45 from Grantham, with shabby local B1.

 

 

[phil.c]

6 minutes ago, great northern said:

So do I need to try to track down the original Phil? I may be able to do that.

Anything is possible, however you would be limited to the size that could be produced from it, in other words, if it was printed out to the correct proportions to fit your back wall when viewed from the same camera position it would look right under the bridge, but there would be nothing either side if it so if the camera was moved left or right there would be a blank wall.

 

it would be possible but very time consuming to create the scene with track coaches and mock up buildings, and with artistic license with Photoshop, because of the distance, detail wouldn't be so important, this would of course be in colour  it would however need to be printed out with a large printer!!!

[billy_anorak59]

Just a thought, but would it be an idea to get what you wanted with a well painted backscene, rather than trying to find a good photograph to manipulate?

[phil.c]

That's a good idea, if you can find an artist good enough, he would need to copy the angle of the sidings correctly, he would also need to know the size, this can only be done with a sketch placed up against the wall behind the bridge, this is most important to get the distance right.

[Denbridge]

12 hours ago, great northern said:

Well, that's astounding!  I suppose angles and perspective would mean that what looks right from here might not from elsewhere, but I'm even more determined now to get something on that back wall, as it makes such a huge difference.

I'm not too well versed in modern photo technology,  but wouldn't it be easier to add the scene by Photoshop or whatever. You could then manipulate it to suit the picture you've taken

[bigwordsmith]

The painted back scene is a tried and tested route, especially if you make it a bit misty. The challenge is finding a painter!

[phil.c]

24 minutes ago, Denbridge said:

I'm not too well versed in modern photo technology,  but wouldn't it be easier to add the scene by Photoshop or whatever. You could then manipulate it to suit the picture you've taken

It's time consuming, that's the problem, much better if the scene is already there and also better when running trains

[great northern]

We'll have the morning images first, then I'll go and do some more pondering about the backscene. That's not helped by the fact that my understanding of the technical side is not great, to say the least.

 

43142 is off to Kings Lynn, behind it being the one service of the day formed of LMS stock.

 

 

 The next arrival is the first early evening Cleethorpes semi fast, with 61130 at the head. Now its pondering time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[great northern]

Still pondering, but its time for another plonk.

 

 

[great northern]

Pondering has as yet, produced nothing much, but I shall persevere. The Immingham B1 is at the North end now, a ponder free zone at present.

 

 

And it is there too that we find W P Allen with the White Rose, complete with wonky headboard.

 

 

I really can't fathom why my vision is so far off these days. It looked OK as I put it on.

[Donington Road]

Getting back to the scene under Crescent Bridge.

Some thoughts to ponder.

I think where you are probably having difficulty is getting the perspective right.

Your track curves away but you are trying to put a backscene on a flat wall behind which is too far away

How about getting a piece of hardboard, perhaps about nine inches high (or even stiff card to experiment) and curve it from behind Crescent SB to match the curvature of your track.

Then apply the backscene.  I would even try a slightly curved mockup of a very short, low relief, scaled down, part of Crescent Station protruding just beyond the signal box.

That would fill up a little bit more space against the backscene.

If you can print off reasonably quantities of the Nene Sidings photo in black and white perhaps you could get someone to go over them in water colours to bring out a bit of detail like carraige ends so that the photo doesn't look so bland.

[great northern]

11 hours ago, Donington Road said:

Getting back to the scene under Crescent Bridge.

Some thoughts to ponder.

I think where you are probably having difficulty is getting the perspective right.

Your track curves away but you are trying to put a backscene on a flat wall behind which is too far away

How about getting a piece of hardboard, perhaps about nine inches high (or even stiff card to experiment) and curve it from behind Crescent SB to match the curvature of your track.

Then apply the backscene.  I would even try a slightly curved mockup of a very short, low relief, scaled down, part of Crescent Station protruding just beyond the signal box.

That would fill up a little bit more space against the backscene.

If you can print off reasonably quantities of the Nene Sidings photo in black and white perhaps you could get someone to go over them in water colours to bring out a bit of detail like carraige ends so that the photo doesn't look so bland.

More food for thought. Thanks Mick. I hadn't considered curving the backscene, but I'll certainly try it. I had though given serious thought to including Crescent station in some way, and the more I think about it, the better option that becomes. I'll need to talk to Peter Leyland about how we do that, and things generally.

[great northern]

W P Allen rolls on through.  It and H A Ivatt are the two A1s I remember seeing most often, so both of them appearing in fairly quick succession is quite comforting.

 

 

 

The Tees Tyne Pullman is then entrusted by Top Shed to an A3, but one with very recently fitted double chimney. Tracery was very much a KX favourite, which may be why it got the double chimney very early by means of a casual repair. Note the over correction of the headboard position.

 

 

 

[phil.c]

3 hours ago, great northern said:

More food for thought. Thanks Mick. I hadn't considered curving the backscene, but I'll certainly try it. I had though given serious thought to including Crescent station in some way, and the more I think about it, the better option that becomes. I'll need to talk to Peter Leyland about how we do that, and things generally.

Providing you have enough pictures and at the same angle, it's possible to merge them together.

[great northern]

Not much done today, except looking through books to find good pictures of the Midland Crescent station. I found quite a lot....... of the side that is not going to be visible on the model. The search will continue.

 

Another shot of Tracery and the Tees Tyne pullman. The loco is no doubt in top mechanical condition, but its external appearance is not up to normal standards. That's because contemporary photos show that it wasn't.

 

 

Running in to Platform 6 with a very short shuttle from East is a Colchester based B17, which weren't often seen here.

 

 

[great northern]

Nottingham Forest at Platform 6. One of the last B17s to get a general overhaul, leaving the paint shop late in April. Colchester shed has kept that finish pristine.

 

 

Just a little further along, a lot is happening. Our DMU is moving into number 4 bay, whence it will soon depart for Boston. 60003 will leave first though, taking the 6.15 to Grantham, and in the background a J6 is taking a trip working to New England, routed via the old goods departure road.

 

It is surely very unlikely that an A4 would be rostered to a two car train, though they did apparently head these locals sometimes. I couldn't resist it though.

 

 

[CUTLER2579]

Gilbert,

I seem to recall that a Top Shed turn bought a Pacific to Peterborough, which then ran light engine to Grantham before returning to Kings Cross on an Up express.

The old brain cells may be letting me down,but I seem to think it was the "Heart of Midlothian" or the "Northumbrian"

 

Regards,Derek.

[great northern]

10 minutes ago, CUTLER2579 said:

Gilbert,

I seem to recall that a Top Shed turn bought a Pacific to Peterborough, which then ran light engine to Grantham before returning to Kings Cross on an Up express.

The old brain cells may be letting me down,but I seem to think it was the "Heart of Midlothian" or the "Northumbrian"

 

Regards,Derek.

The Heart of Midlothian definitely changed engines at PN Derek, so  I think that would be the one. The more I think about it, a light engine movement would be more likely than putting it on a two coach local.