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15 hours ago, 60027Merlin said:

David,

 

They were all away by 1949. They did appear on an infrequent basis during the 50s and I have underlined in the ABC book 60501 and 60504 although I cannot remember anything about them!

 

In conversation some time ago a friend, sadly now deceased, saw one in either 1958/59 at Haymarket and it was not one of the aforementioned but I cannot recall which one. They were pretty rare here, that is for sure.

 

Eric

 

I reckon the York engines would have got to Edinburgh very occasionally Eric, but it is hard to see how any of the New England engines would have got that far.

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15 minutes ago, 60027Merlin said:

 

Spot on Gilbert!

 

I have checked the photos on file and noted 5 at Haymarket between 1956 to 1959. Some were photographed on different occasions and all were shedded at either Heaton or York. Of course, no doubt others reached here but no photographers were simultaneously on shed. 

 

Eric

 

Hi Eric

 

Sorry did you mean A2/2 60505 was on Haymarket shed between 1956 and 1959 or 5 different members of the class were there at different times. 

 

Regards

 

David

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11 hours ago, landscapes said:

Hi Eric

 

Sorry did you mean A2/2 60505 was on Haymarket shed between 1956 and 1959 or 5 different members of the class were there at different times. 

 

Regards

 

David

David,

 

Lack of concentration on my behalf. I was referring to the B16s! 

 

Eric

 

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42 minutes ago, 60027Merlin said:

David,

 

Lack of concentration on my behalf. I was referring to the B16s! 

 

Eric

 

Thanks Eric

 

It’s probably my mistake misunderstanding what you said, I almost placed an order for an A2/2 such was the excitement of thinking there was photographic proof of the class on shed during 1959.

 

Best Regards

 

David 

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Nice to see the B16/1. There are plenty of photos of Heaton locos going backwards and forwards between Edinburgh and Tyneside in the 50's, before they all went south to Yorkshire. I had assumed they normally were serviced at 64A rather than Haymarket. I suppose York engines also might also have been pressed into service, particularly in Summer Saturdays, which is my excuse for running my B16/3 on a York Edinburgh SO. No excuses needed for the B16/1.

I agree with Gilbert that any A2/2 which got to Edinburgh after the expulsion would be from York. They weren't even very common at Newcastle, and most pictures have them south of York, though not exclusively. I vividly recall 60501 standing light engine behind Gateshead East .having reversed over the High Level, waiting to go on shed..Probably late in their day,1961.

John

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6 hours ago, millerhillboy said:

Can I ask about the layout naming.... I'm guessing Longdrem is an amalgamation of Longniddry and Drem, but what about Pinkhill?

I'm originally local to the East Lothian area and am curious about Pinkhill.

 

Millerhillboy,

 

I have attached below the background details which appeared in the BRM article a long time ago. This saves me typing as I am not too hot at  it!

 

In those distant days when my friend Tommy Mann and I were thinking about what location, on either the ECML in south east Scotland or the Waverley Route, should be modelled to suit the locomotives and stock I have we looked at many locations but always came up against the usual railway modelling snag, that being lack of space or to be more precise, lack of length in which to do the proposed location justice. As I was after a continuous circuit “to watch the trains go by” especially the Haymarket pacifics and the ex-NBR locos plus the possibility of having a branch line for end to end operation as an additional piece of operational interest we considered that the track formation at Longniddry on the ECML east of Edinburgh would be feasible in the space available. Apart from being on the ECML it was also the junction for the Haddington Branch so the end to end run to and from the fiddle yard could be accommodated. As luck would have it shortly afterwards at a local exhibition I came across an Ordnance Survey drawing of the track plan for Longniddry dated during the 1930’s and used this as a basis with slight modifications mainly being that of dispensing with a couple of down line sidings in an effort to avoid a cluttered feel to the junction. With that in mind plus other scenic views which I envisaged in addition, to the use of Waverley Route stock and other Edinburgh main line stock in running sessions it was decided not to use the Longniddry name and so Longdrem came to mind (Drem, a few miles further south on the ECML, being the junction for the North Berwick branch). It is always a bit of a conundrum when planning a layout as to whether it is better to model an actual location which can sometimes be too restrictive regarding the type of stock to run or the flexibility of a fictional location which has the atmosphere of the area modelled. I chose the latter, pragmatism is a great thing. By placing the junction on the baseboard immediately before the baseboards containing the fiddle yard when travelling on the up main line it allows for a journey from the fiddle yard to the branch station and goods yard of practically two circuits of the layout, one being on the main line round to the junction and then crossing over to the branch itself. In ideal circumstances the branch station layout would have been based on Corstorphine Station on the branch of that name in Edinburgh but again lack of space saw to that as it had really long platforms, however, I have tried to incorporate the atmosphere there. I named the branch Pinkhill which was a station on the Corstorphine Branch, here the station sign stated “Alight here for Zoological Park”, Edinburgh Zoo being sited nearby on Corstorphine Hill. Whilst the real branch had regular pacific turns the largest loco I run on it is the occasional B1 with the ex-N.B.R. classes being the norm.

 

Eric

 

 

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A few snaps of a Dave Alexander K4, Macleod of Macleod, making its debut on the layout after a few months of building and painting etc. 

 

I have finished it off from a couple of photos taken in 1957/58 when it was still shedded at Eastfield, a year or two before it was transferred to Thornton. Even when based at Eastfield in the 50s the class not only worked the West Highland line but also worked into Edinburgh.

 

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28 minutes ago, 60027Merlin said:

A few snaps of a Dave Alexander K4, Macleod of Macleod, making its debut on the layout after a few months of building and painting etc. 

 

I have finished it off from a couple of photos taken in 1957/58 when it was still shedded at Eastfield, a year or two before it was transferred to Thornton. Even when based at Eastfield in the 50s the class not only worked the West Highland line but also worked into Edinburgh.

 

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Hi Eric 

 

I hope you are keeping well.

 

What a fabulous model locomotive I am sure I have seen somewhere a photo of a class member at Haymarket.

 

The K4’s are one of my favourite class of locomotives, I long for the possibility of a RTR version being available, but the reality is there is probably more chance of that than me having the skills to make a kit version of the class.

 

Great photos as usual, Stay safe and well 

 

Regards

 

David

 

 

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A lovely model of a lovely looking engine!  A pity I can't justify one on a London-based ER layout, but did enjoy a spin around the Fife Circle behind the preserved one a few years back.  A shame it doesn't work any longer.

 

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2 hours ago, 60027Merlin said:

A few snaps of a Dave Alexander K4, Macleod of Macleod, making its debut on the layout after a few months of building and painting etc. 

 

I have finished it off from a couple of photos taken in 1957/58 when it was still shedded at Eastfield, a year or two before it was transferred to Thornton. Even when based at Eastfield in the 50s the class not only worked the West Highland line but also worked into Edinburgh.

 

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What motor/gearbox combination did you use, Eric ?

 

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Alasdair,

 

I used a DJH AM!0 with a Mashima 1224 @ 50:1.

 

This seems to work fine with an acceptable average speed on any passenger or freight train formations that I have.

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, 60027Merlin said:

Alasdair,

 

I used a DJH AM!0 with a Mashima 1224 @ 50:1.

 

This seems to work fine with an acceptable average speed on any passenger or freight train formations that I have.

 

Eric

Very handy Eric as I have a 61998 awaiting building.   I only saw the loco once on a coal train heading west at Craigentinny towards Piershill.  However I caught up with one of the nameplates in Dunvegan Castle in 2013.  It hides in what would have been a servants service corridor on the lower ground floor but which is now one of the access routes to the gift shop.  Only after taking the photograph did I notice the photographs not allowed sign!

Malcolm

 

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Malcolm,

 

It's always interesting to hear of confirmed sightings of loco workings in our area back in the trainspotting days. 

 

On going into my layout thread just now my first view was of the nameplate in your posting and thought that it was in your house! No doubt like me you will have to do with the Fox or Jackson Evans one!

 

Eric

 

 

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41 minutes ago, 60027Merlin said:

Malcolm,

 

It's always interesting to hear of confirmed sightings of loco workings in our area back in the trainspotting days. 

 

On going into my layout thread just now my first view was of the nameplate in your posting and thought that it was in your house! No doubt like me you will have to do with the Fox or Jackson Evans one!

 

Eric

 

 

If I could have got it off the wall at Dunvegan I would have!  :diablo_mini:. The photo has been cropped.  I am sitting below the nameplate pretending to be the clan chief!

I also have a Hornby Clan MacLeod.  I only saw 72008 Clan MacLeod once, again at Craigentinny, light engine, heading East possibly from St Margarets to Millerhill to pick up a Waverley route freight for Carlisle.  Suppose it might be to much to hope it picked up a freight for Newcastle via Longdrem?

Malcolm

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5 hours ago, dunwurken said:

 

I also have a Hornby Clan MacLeod.  I only saw 72008 Clan MacLeod once, again at Craigentinny, light engine, heading East possibly from St Margarets to Millerhill to pick up a Waverley route freight for Carlisle.  Suppose it might be to much to hope it picked up a freight for Newcastle via Longdrem?

Malcolm

Not impossible. Though you would need to change clan allegiance, there is a picture of 72002 on just such an Up freight in Booklaw Vol 77 heading from Tyneside at Little Benton South. 

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