Badger Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Can anyone tell me when the cab door windows were plated over on the class26 locos, or were they built with out windows in the doors, and why. Thanks Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 This was pinned down fairly accurately in discussion a while ago but the best I can remember now is that most were done by about 1974, with the earliest I know of being July 1970 AFAIK it's not just a simple case of plating over, but a whole new door (the handle positions are different, for one thing). The most likely reason, as with anything done to Highland locos, will be draught reduction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 This was pinned down fairly accurately in discussion a while ago but the best I can remember now is that most were done by about 1974, with the earliest I know of being July 1970 AFAIK it's not just a simple case of plating over, but a whole new door (the handle positions are different, for one thing). The most likely reason, as with anything done to Highland locos, will be draught reduction I was about to ask a similar question. The change to solid doors is usually associated in time with wrapping the yellow colouring around the cab. However in my collection of downloaded goodies I have a 1975 photo of 26011 at Ferryhill (Aberdeen) with the yellow colouring carried round the cab side windows, but still sporting the original door with a window. However a later photo of the same loco at Inverness in 1978 shows the window plated over - or rather a new door with a handle level with the bottom of the yellow colour - the original door has the handle halfway between the window and the bottom. Too good an opportunity to miss, I've now got a Class 26 with yellow wrap around and cab door windows... B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 I have a 1975 photo of 26011 at Ferryhill (Aberdeen) with the yellow colouring carried round the cab side windows, but still sporting the original door with a window. That's good then Stuart, that becomes the latest sighting still with original doors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 That's good then Stuart, that becomes the latest sighting still with original doors. Et voila... http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=17588 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 Thanks for that guys, & thanks for the link Stuart! Regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Here is 26024 in 1975 with all the original features as well. That picture of 26011 is the first one i have seen in TOP's numbers with arrows on the cabs, dreadfull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 A nice one Brian, and again Aberdeen in 1975 - any hints where I can download this one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I assume that's 'dreadful' in a good way Brian! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portchullin Tatty Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 There is a picture in "Diesels in the Highlands" of 5337 in blue with wrap around warning yellow passing through Clachnaharry. It has plated over door windows but the door has not been painted, it seems to be in primer. April 1974. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 There is a picture in "Diesels in the Highlands" of 5337 in blue with wrap around warning yellow passing through Clachnaharry. It has plated over door windows but the door has not been painted, it seems to be in primer. Is this the Bradford Barton one Mark, or the more recent colour one? There are also pics to be found (dont ask me where...) of locos with wrapround yellow plus flush doors in plain blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blobrick Posted August 21, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2010 Hi Guys Since we are talking 26s, can anyone tell me when 26s fitted with Tablet catchers,had their recesses plated over?. I ask as I am eagerly awaiting the new Heljan O gauge 26 and want a suitable loco circa 1979/80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Since we are talking 26s, can anyone tell me when 26s fitted with Tablet catchers,had their recesses plated over?. Thought this might follow on Slightly later than the cab door changes, I reckon the the majority being done during 1975/76 (so no pre-TOPS ones known to be plated). A fair few lasted into 1977 with the recesses, but no later photos are known (to me anyway). 27s also seem to follow the same sort of timescale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'm not so sure on the timing, if you look at Brian Daniels' 1975 photo of 26024 above, the tablet catcher recess has been plated over but it still has the original cab door with window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Some dates in this old thread. Loads of stuff on the old forum, well worth logging back in and having a root about. I've spent a few hours digging up gems this week. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25233&hilit=+tablet tends to bear out Pennine's statement of mid 70s for the majority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Ah, useful thread that; 26024 sporting wrap around yellow livery and the original cab door with window and the unplated tablet catcher recess in 1974 - sorted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I'm not so sure on the timing, if you look at Brian Daniels' 1975 photo of 26024 above, the tablet catcher recess has been plated over but it still has the original cab door with window This is true, but I'd think it's a relative rarity. There might well have been some overlap in the two procedures but as a generalisation, I'd hope my comment would hold good. FWIW the earliest plated tablet catcher recess I know of is 26022, pic dated 31.3.74, Bradford Barton's 'Diesels in the Highlands'. Not possible to check the door as it's ajar Interestingly both '22 and '24 are ex-Inverness machines transferred to Haymarket in 1969, so the Edinburgh depot could have been the quicker off the mark with plating the recesses There is a picture in "Diesels in the Highlands" of 5337 in blue with wrap around warning yellow passing through Clachnaharry. It has plated over door windows but the door has not been painted, it seems to be in primer. April 1974. Is this the Bradford Barton one Mark, or the more recent colour one? There are also pics to be found (dont ask me where...) of locos with wrapround yellow plus flush doors in plain blue Found it now, it's on the page after 26022 Hard to tell but I think it's actually blue rather than primer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 I can't post the pic due to copyright restrictions (the owner of the shot would kill me for posting it!!), but I have a shot of 26006 at Haymarket on 28 Jul 1974, with original blue cab surrounds and non-plated doors. Rgds, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 ... 26006 ... with original blue cab surrounds and non-plated doors. TOPs without wrapround yellow; now that is interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTTLEY Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 TOPs without wrapround yellow; now that is interesting I really wish I could post the pic, but it would betray a confidence of someone I've been trading with for years. The best I can do, for a different shot to the one I have, but still showing the blue cabs but sadly not the doors, though I promise you, on the shot I have, the doors still have the drop-down windows, is point you here; http://www.rail-online.co.uk and input 26006 into the search. This is the only 26/27 I know of, to carry this version into TOPS although two or three others kept the yellow at bay into 1974, I don't know if they made TOPS or not. Cheers, Ron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 I really wish I could post the pic, but it would betray a confidence of someone I've been trading with for years. No worries Ron , didnt intend you to feel put on the spot. Just knowing that it existed is something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 The reason for replacing the cab door window with metal was to prevent damage when tokens were exchanged, by hand, on the move. There were several cases where the pouch or the hoop had swung back with enough force to break the glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 The reason for replacing the cab door window with metal was to prevent damage when tokens were exchanged, by hand, on the move. There were several cases where the pouch or the hoop had swung back with enough force to break the glass. Aha, thank you. Now you mention it, I've heard that before also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted October 26, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2010 I can't post the pic due to copyright restrictions (the owner of the shot would kill me for posting it!!), but I have a shot of 26006 at Haymarket on 28 Jul 1974, with original blue cab surrounds and non-plated doors. Rgds, Ron. Hi all, I have a shot from a friend of 26006. Millerhill, March 1976. plated doors, yellow window surround. That narrows the end date for the non plated doors down a bit for it! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 The reason for replacing the cab door window with metal was to prevent damage when tokens were exchanged, by hand, on the move. There were several cases where the pouch or the hoop had swung back with enough force to break the glass. Sounds plausible, but if so why weren't the Scottish Class 27s similarly modified? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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