trains12 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Great Tunsley Dale by trains12 original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:17 pm I thought that members might like to know (and if so desire get involved) about the latest layout that I am constructing. Since our move to North Wales I have built a number of new layouts both for myself and for friends. Probably the most famous of these is Porth Eithin, a china clay, which has featured in Model Rail twice, on the Model rail DVD as well as on S4C, ITV, and a lot of the local press around here. The second layout, which is familiar to many of you, is Tryweryn or Tryweryn Sidings owned by Martin (Wales) Jones and was built for him some years ago. Porth Penrhyn is another layout that was completed two years ago but is at this time in store due to a problem on the track yet to be sorted. Work has also been completed on an O gauge layout with three of the other club members. Anyway I thought that it was time that I built a new layout. It was decided that it would be based on and around the Quarries at Tunstead in the Peak District. This is due to both Paul, my better half in the publishing business, and myself being involved in the book the History of the ICI Hoppers. Paul was going to be in charge of all the rolling stock and myself with the construction of the layout. It was going to be a tail chaser about 20ft long by 12ft wide, in the end it has worked out at 28ft long. It has the main hopper building, as the centre attraction, with the four round hoppers to one side. At one end are the sidings for the hoppers after filling, and also on the other side of the main line the gravel hoppers. The operation of the layout is split into three sections. A). is the main lines and the rear 16 storage sidings, B). is the main hopper lines on the north side of the running lines and has two controllers, C). which is the gravel hoppers on the down side and is controlled by one controller. Work started on the points, which are all hand made, last June together with the buildings, and track laying started on the boards in November last year. The entire track is SMP. To date track is laid on the front eight board with track work on a further three boards under way and overall scenery is in hand. I hope that you like it and please let know what you think and if you want to see more. When it is finished by this July we will be looking for help to operate it at the Colwyn Model Railway show so if you want to join a mad team lets us know. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:57 pm This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them? Pete __________________________________________ Comment posted by unsoundmove on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:20 pm Looks very promising and look forward to seeing more. You must also be in with a chance of the 'tidiest workshop' prize ? __________________________________________ Comment posted by cnw6847 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:24 pm The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress. What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits? I thought the picture was taken in a model shop __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm Pete-Harvey wrote: This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them? Pete Hi pete The first photos showing some of the shaped scenery were taken three weeks ago when I erected three of the boards in the dining room because it was a little to cold at the unit. The last two shots were taken just before Christmas. All these boards have had the trackwork completed and with the others ther is now 24ft of track laid and ballasted and the wiring completed on each board but awaiting the fitting of 'D' plugs (some 400 + joints to do). These three boards have had most of the basic plastering completed in the last week, it should be al fished on them by next week. Will try and get some better shots on but the camera is playing up. Regards Peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:42 pm cnw6847 wrote: The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress. What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits? I thought the picture was taken in a model shop Hi CNW6847 Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections. Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:10 pm Sounds like fun Peter. Pete __________________________________________ Comment posted by michael delamar on Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:20 am this looks like it will be great, the fact the layout is wide will give it realism, depth. and like the buildings the size of them drawf the trains, all ingredients to make this a great layout Mike __________________________________________ Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 am Very impressive. I must admit to liking industrial settings. I may have to re-think my plans for a return to the hobby! BL __________________________________________ Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:53 am Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted. Cheers, Geoff __________________________________________ Comment posted by cnw6847 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:15 pm trains12 wrote: cnw6847 wrote: The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress. What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits? I thought the picture was taken in a model shop Hi CNW6847 Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections. Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware. Peter Hi Peter Thanks for the info, the buildings look excellent. Cheers Richard __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:42 am sparky wrote: Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted. Cheers, Geoff Hi Geoff Its OO SMP finescale. Martin Wales Jones tried to convert me to EM when I was building his layout but with a total of four other layouts I have collected something in the region of 2500 yes 2500 items of stock so can you imagine the cost of conversion? I never seem to get rid of anything. Cheers peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:25 pm Hi all Here are a few more photos I have taken some time ago One shot the method of the consrtuction of the baseboards which I have been asked about. All of them have been made from 9mm marine ply. The legs fold up within the main sturucture. Another view shows how the layout was at the open day between Christmas and New Year. These are held a number of times a year and all are wellcome. The final shot showes the air compressor plant that i have made for the layout. This is all hand made with the exception of some of the pipe fittings. This has now been finished and painted. More shots of how the layout is now when I get my camera fixted. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:19 pm Further to Peter's posting above, here are some of my photos I took of GTD when three of the baseboards were exhibited at the Llanberis show a few weeks ago. Obviously lots more work to do on the buildings and scenic side of things, but the addition of the wagons gives it a bit more depth and impression of scale. I am in charge of the freight rolling stock and already got a good fleet of 1950s/60s era ICI hopper wagons and 5-plank ICI opens, 1980s/90s ICI hoppers, 90s/00s PGA hoppers and JGA hoppers. Could do with some Freightliner HIAs, ex Nat Power JHAs and JMAs, and some EWS HOAs just for good measure (HOA future kit from Genesis?) Enjoy __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:22 pm Peter Whats the provenance of the ICI hoppers? __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:50 pm Hi Andy, Puts Mr ICI Hopper hat on The hoppers in the photos are the High Peak casters resin kits produced in 1987 or thereabouts and originally sold through the model shop in Buxton near the Market Square - long since closed. They are basic to say the least but with a bit of work and time can be made into good wagons. I have 7 (1980s/90s livery) plus 4 (50s/60s) of my own plus I look after another 7 (80s/90s) plus 10 (50s/60s) owned by Hazel Grove & DMRS. Plus a further 3 unbuilt examples, one High Peak, one Appleby Model Engineering plus the prototype from John Taylor and a further 5 unbuilt High Peak wagons. Peter also has 5-6 unbuilt High Peak wagons which I need to get on building for the layout!! I have divided the High Peak kits up into three variants, the first with a very heavy cast resin body with no interior hopper, second with improved casting and deeper interior and third ditto with thinner casting of sides and ends as resin casting improved. Rarely do you see examples for sale, so much so I scratchbuilt three new wagons from plasticard onto spare resin underframes. Peter and me have given serious consideration to developing our own kit for these wagons as a) we will need more for the layout, B) need some more for myself and c) lots of people ask me about them when they are out running on Hazel Grove & DRMS club layout 'Hazel Valley' . People seem very disapointed that you can't get a kit of what is quite an iconic wagon of the steam and diesel eras - lifespan just over 60 years in traffic in daily use. Remember in steam days it was upto 16 loaded, and then 18 loaded with Derby Type 2 Sulzers, then gradual increase with traction type to final days with pair of 37s with 24 loaded. So you couldn't really just buy one kit, you'd really need at least 10 to make a decent looking rake in any era. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:58 pm Hi Paul Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen. they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name) __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:20 am I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask. Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout?? __________________________________________ Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:19 am Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please Cheers, Geoff __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:33 am pharrc20 wrote: I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask. Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout?? Thanks Paul I think John has some - probably obtained off yourself!! Im looking forward to getting stuck into them but John - whos one of my good mates - has his own timescale on Planet Sowerby __________________________________________ Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:57 am Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it. Elliott __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:42 pm British Railways wrote: Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it. Elliott Hi Elliott All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet. hope this answers your question. Keep watching Peter. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:53 pm sparky wrote: Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please Cheers, Geoff Hi Geoff Thanks for your comments very much appreciated. The layout is not just modern scene, I have tried to incorporate form the late 50's to present day but as all ways a little modellers licence has to come in. Pauls main interests lie more in the modern and blue era. Mine is the steam and green era, so we have the best of both worlds. Can you PM me with details of your layout as I am exhibition manager of the Colwyn model railway show at Llandudno and am intrested in your layout. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Digital on Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:58 pm pharrc20 wrote: I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask. Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout?? Great layout guys, hope it comes to Colwyn Bay and I can get to see it Yes Nick did plan on doing Peak Forest at one time but now has built the superb "Holland Park" container layout. Best wishes John __________________________________________ Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:21 pm trains12 wrote: British Railways wrote: Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it. Elliott Hi Elliott All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet. hope this answers your question. Keep watching Peter. Thank You Elliott Comment posted by Digital on Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:16 am Hi Peter, Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC. Regards John __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:33 pm Digital wrote: Hi Peter, Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC. Regards John Hi John It is normal DC but at present it is still in the wiring stage. I have far too much stock to convert to DCC To give an idea of cost to convert the four exhibition layouts and the main layout together with stock two years ago the cost was put at some ??????‚??20,000 pounds by ZTC that was 500 plus engines all points controllors sound etc. Just cant aford it so it stays with miles of cables and nightmares if something goes wrong. Paul is in a similar boat as well but we both have thought of doing a small modern image layout which will be DCC. in the near future. Regards Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Heiter on Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:43 am trains12 wrote: Digital wrote: Hi Peter, Is the layout operated by DCC or standard DC. Regards John Hi John It is normal DC but at present it is still in the wiring stage. I have far too much stock to convert to DCC To give an idea of cost to convert the four exhibition layouts and the main layout together with stock two years ago the cost was put at some ??????‚??20,000 pounds by ZTC that was 500 plus engines all points controllors sound etc. Just cant aford it so it stays with miles of cables and nightmares if something goes wrong. Paul is in a similar boat as well but we both have thought of doing a small modern image layout which will be DCC. in the near future. Regards Peter Where are the manufacturers when you need *their* support...?? Excellent layout and a credit to you... Colin. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:45 pm Hi all Just a update on the layout. Wiring has continued this last wek and a futher two boards have been completed upto the connection stage. Timber has been oatained to complete the last three boards while the other boards are made and ready for tack layout. Work on the last Gravel loader is well in hand as is some of the smaller sheds etc. I will post some further shots in the next few days. Peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:06 pm Hi All Just to let you all Know that my unit in Nantlle will be open house this Saturday 25th march between 10.30am to 4.00pm where I will br working on Tunsley Dale. I will al so have the clubs O Gauge Layout Waterley Cross working. All are welcome ,if you want instructions one how to find me contact me either on 01286 882 332 or pm me. Have coffee or tea but also no beer Also there is Porth Eithin Porth Penrhyn and Dartmouth but not up. Hope to see some of you Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:42 pm Shame! I'm at York __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:40 pm Hi All Just a few photos of what has been done in the last few weeks __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:27 pm Hi All Just a shot of the two Blue Pullman set that will be used on the layout. I seem to be haveing a few problems post picx at present. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:37 pm A quick posting on the sort of stock that will be needed to operate on the layout. Ok well starting with the obvious sort of wagons given that the layout is loosely based on the real rail served quarry at Tunstead, these will be the long lived ICI bogie limestone hopper wagons. I have two rakes myself that I operate in conjunction with the rakes owned by Hazel Grove & District MRS of which I am a member. There is a rake of 16 wagons in the 1950s/60s livery of medium grey plus weathered examples formed 5+5+5+1 (I think) and a 1980s/90s rake of 14 wagons. However for Great Tunsley we will require at least another two rakes plus some spares. Both Peter and me have a couple of the old High Peak Casters kits for these wagons, which to be brutally honest are not exactly well detailed but they do look like the wagons once built and modified. So, to make up the shortfall we are looking at producing some more wagons ourselves in brass and whitemetal but that is still on development at the moment. Other suitable stock for the steam era will include the 5-plank ICI Lime opens, which were once produced by Airfix many years ago and later a version was produced by Hornby. Yes, the chassis are not accurate for these plus those monster couplings to contend with as well so a program of coupling upgrades to Bachmann type narrow couplings will hopefully solve that problem. Except Bachmann couplings are in short supply at the moment Other opens and small hoppers will also be used for general stone flows from Great Tunsley. The next biggest wagon type that we will need is the BR 24t COVHOP and I am aware that Bill Bedford has a kit in the pipeline. Then there is Presflos, Prestwins and Conflat Ls along with a mix of everyday goods wagons that could be scene passing the quarry on the mainline as well. Moving onto the 80s, the ICI hoppers remain dominant abeit with a light grey livery when ex works rapidly becoming a rusty dusty brown colour darkening with age. Air brake stock from this period from the real Tunstead was mainly the CBA covered hoppers (conversion in hand), Tarmac PGAs (in hand) and Peakstone PGAs (future project). I have started to build a rake of Parkside 21t HTV hoppers but given Hornby's recent decision to model the Clam/Rudd and Tope wagons, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Hornby turned round and produced a rtr rebodied and welded HTV model as per the Parkside kit, so I will see what happens on that front. The final type of stone wagon in this era is the 27t stone tipplers MSVs. I have amassed a rake of 20+ of these using the Bachmann chalk tippler and added extra brake rigging and vac cylinders to the chassis. Yes I know the chassis is incorrect type and the body is too high but that doesn;t bother me. Lots of Speedlink wagons PAAs, PBAs, TTAs etc. as appropriate to era Into the 90s, we can still run the ICI hoppers until 1997 and run Bachmann JGAs in Buxton Lime Industries and RMC liveries and later on CAIB PGAs 30+ of those, and later still Freightliner HHAs. All we need now to complete the picture would be RFS built RMC PHA/JGAs, EWS/Cemex HOAs and Freightliner HH HIAs in green and white. Oh and some Tiphook KPAs just to be complete. And some Nat Power/EWS JHAs and JMAs..... Not much to ask is it Again lots of ancillary stock appropriate to era and Enterprise operations JAAs. JIAs, TTAs, TUAs, Cargowaggons, PCAs Its gonna be fun!! __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:07 pm Hi all Just an update on the progress of the layout. In the last few days we have fished the baseboards at the end of the layout and have errcted the baseboards for the fiddle yard ready for the laying of the cork. Some more of the electrics have also been done. It is hoped that the laying of the track in the fiddle yard will start tomorrow. If all goes well and the weather is good will will try to trst the erection of the whole layout next Saturday outside the unit in Nantlle. Will post some more photos of the laying of the fiddle yard. __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:15 pm A few more photos of the layout showing the extended fiddle yard taken today. I spent the weekend at Peter's lair and helped to lay some new track, solder the rails onto the copperclad and put the plywood top on the newest fiddle yard baseboard. Note the track is not aligned or pinned down yet on the new board, but that won't take Peter long to do!! In the first photo of those uploaded by Peter in the last post, the mainline and quarry line track and points are all laid and ballasted and connect up with the tracks leading in/out of the fiddle yard. I knew I should have taken a similar photo for comparison before I left sunny N Wales. Cheers Paul __________________________________________ Comment posted by SweeneyTodd on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:33 pm That's one huge fiddle yard 16 lines ! , i want to ask what type of points are used and how will it be powered , i'm fairly new to the hobby and working on a quite a large layout , i want to ad a fiddle yard probably about half the size of yours , if you can have you got a track plan to show where your adding power ? if not no worries The whole layout looks great , i will be following your progress ..... Shaun . __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:02 am hi Shaun Thanks for comments. The track and points in the fiddle yard are all Peco Code 75. What is shown is not the full extent of the yard there is still afurther 6ft board to add with the other points on. The feeds to the layout are at each end of the yards on each main line. The lines are split in the middle so giving 32 sidings appox. 8ft - 10 ft long. the points are controlled by Hornby or peco points motors which will be operated by either stud and probe contact or spring centre off swiitches, havent made my mind up yet. The whole layout is standard DC control. peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:36 am Really looking forward to seeing photos of this layout when finished, great work so far. The buildings are stunning, absolutely superb modelling. Lots of fun ahead for you guys me thinks! Can we have some photos of 60s on JGAs running on your layout please, or pairs of 37s on the ICI hoppers! __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:36 am Yep, I can't wait for the day when we can start filling up the fiddle yard with stock and get some trains running. I think I can muster a 60 and some BLI JGAs plus some of Peters, plus a pair of Buxton 37/5s on a long rake (24) of ICI Hoppers. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Grimleygrid on Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:20 pm Look forward to the photos Paul. Any idea when you will be up and running? __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:48 pm We were going to appear at the North Wales Exhibition organised by Colwyn Bay MRC and held at John Bright School, Llandudno, but this exhibition has now been cancelled. So not sure what our first outing will be, but the extra time will give us a chance to finish off all of the scenery and sort the stock out etc. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:52 pm Hi all Have been at the unit today and have laid the track in the fiddle yard that was in Pauls photos above. Hope to have the final hand made track completed by Thursday so it can be laid on Friday. In the mean time am wiring up odd sections. Paul and myself are going to Tunstead on Monday to flim further details of the plant ie hoppers. cement kilms etc and also make a sound recoring of the loading of a train through the main hoppers so when we load the ICI hoppers on the layout there will be real sound of them being loaded. Will post some more shots in the next few days. Back to it. Peter. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:32 pm Well as promised further shots of the progress made this week on the ayout. Paul and myself are at Tunstead on Monday to view the site and make a recording of the loading of the hoppers so that we can fit sound into the model hopper. Should get a lot of photos. : Peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:40 pm Hi All Update Have been up at Tunstead early this week with Paul photographing etc most of the plant thanks to Tarmac. Some great shots so I can now complete the models. Some more point motors and wiring completed as well as a little mod to the track laout. Will post some more shots in the next few days. Peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed May 07, 2008 6:02 pm Hi all Some shots taken by Paul on Monday of this week showing the trackwork completed where the Vertical lime kilns and the South Works will fit. Have started today the model of the lime kilns today so will post some shots of the progress of this. Still working on the wiring. Regards Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by MartinWales on Wed May 07, 2008 6:29 pm Looks even better now than when I saw it a fortnight ago! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Thu May 08, 2008 6:19 am Andy C wrote: Hi Paul Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen. they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name) John Taylor brought down 2 sets of etches for the ICI hoppers last night at the Rochdale club night - Im probably going to sideline the Ivatt 2-6-0 Im building on wednesday nights and have a shot at them - theres a lot of bits and i suspect the RSU will be in demand - ive already promised to re-write and draw his instructions as i go alomg because theres already 1 bit Im not sure of where it goes! it does look like it will make a nice model with a bit of care in the building and I suspect an article may follow in one mag or another! I'll keep you posted on progress! (but they my end up as P4 models behind a blue rat) __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri May 09, 2008 11:22 am I'd be interested to see how you get on with these, having had the prototype kit built up and finding that some of the tabs and slots didn't fit made things a bit tricky. Peter and me have been developing a kit for the hoppers for a good number of years now and when the Appleby and Modelex kits were proposed we decided not to proceed, but now both of these have fallen by the wayside, we have decided to push ahead with our own kit and started to draw up the parts required. As previously outlined in this thread, we will need quite a few hoppers for GTD layout. Cheers Paul __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Fri May 09, 2008 3:22 pm pharrc20 wrote: I'd be interested to see how you get on with these, having had the prototype kit built up and finding that some of the tabs and slots didn't fit made things a bit tricky. Peter and me have been developing a kit for the hoppers for a good number of years now and when the Appleby and Modelex kits were proposed we decided not to proceed, but now both of these have fallen by the wayside, we have decided to push ahead with our own kit and started to draw up the parts required. As previously outlined in this thread, we will need quite a few hoppers for GTD layout. Cheers Paul Funny you said that Paul - I was looking at the sideplate tabs and indents in the top and bottom frame plates and the tabs looked slightly overlarge but wasnt in a poistion to get the micrometer out to check. __________________________________________ Comments: (0) Trackbacks: (0) Send Trackback Permalink <h2 class="maintitle"> Great Tunsley Dale </h2> Make This Entry A Draft Delete Entry Edit Entry Posted by trains12 , 20 October 2009 - 21:44 Great Tunsley Dale by trains12 original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:17 pm I thought that members might like to know (and if so desire get involved) about the latest layout that I am constructing. Since our move to North Wales I have built a number of new layouts both for myself and for friends. Probably the most famous of these is Porth Eithin, a china clay, which has featured in Model Rail twice, on the Model rail DVD as well as on S4C, ITV, and a lot of the local press around here. The second layout, which is familiar to many of you, is Tryweryn or Tryweryn Sidings owned by Martin (Wales) Jones and was built for him some years ago. Porth Penrhyn is another layout that was completed two years ago but is at this time in store due to a problem on the track yet to be sorted. Work has also been completed on an O gauge layout with three of the other club members. Anyway I thought that it was time that I built a new layout. It was decided that it would be based on and around the Quarries at Tunstead in the Peak District. This is due to both Paul, my better half in the publishing business, and myself being involved in the book the History of the ICI Hoppers. Paul was going to be in charge of all the rolling stock and myself with the construction of the layout. It was going to be a tail chaser about 20ft long by 12ft wide, in the end it has worked out at 28ft long. It has the main hopper building, as the centre attraction, with the four round hoppers to one side. At one end are the sidings for the hoppers after filling, and also on the other side of the main line the gravel hoppers. The operation of the layout is split into three sections. A). is the main lines and the rear 16 storage sidings, B). is the main hopper lines on the north side of the running lines and has two controllers, C). which is the gravel hoppers on the down side and is controlled by one controller. Work started on the points, which are all hand made, last June together with the buildings, and track laying started on the boards in November last year. The entire track is SMP. To date track is laid on the front eight board with track work on a further three boards under way and overall scenery is in hand. I hope that you like it and please let know what you think and if you want to see more. When it is finished by this July we will be looking for help to operate it at the Colwyn Model Railway show so if you want to join a mad team lets us know. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:57 pm This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them? Pete __________________________________________ Comment posted by unsoundmove on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:20 pm Looks very promising and look forward to seeing more. You must also be in with a chance of the 'tidiest workshop' prize ? __________________________________________ Comment posted by cnw6847 on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:24 pm The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress. What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits? I thought the picture was taken in a model shop __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm Pete-Harvey wrote: This looks very interesting how long ago were the pictures taken how far have you got since taking them? Pete Hi pete The first photos showing some of the shaped scenery were taken three weeks ago when I erected three of the boards in the dining room because it was a little to cold at the unit. The last two shots were taken just before Christmas. All these boards have had the trackwork completed and with the others ther is now 24ft of track laid and ballasted and the wiring completed on each board but awaiting the fitting of 'D' plugs (some 400 + joints to do). These three boards have had most of the basic plastering completed in the last week, it should be al fished on them by next week. Will try and get some better shots on but the camera is playing up. Regards Peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:42 pm cnw6847 wrote: The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress. What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits? I thought the picture was taken in a model shop Hi CNW6847 Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections. Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Pete-Harvey on Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:10 pm Sounds like fun Peter. Pete __________________________________________ Comment posted by michael delamar on Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:20 am this looks like it will be great, the fact the layout is wide will give it realism, depth. and like the buildings the size of them drawf the trains, all ingredients to make this a great layout Mike __________________________________________ Comment posted by Bangor Lad on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 am Very impressive. I must admit to liking industrial settings. I may have to re-think my plans for a return to the hobby! BL __________________________________________ Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:53 am Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted. Cheers, Geoff __________________________________________ Comment posted by cnw6847 on Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:15 pm trains12 wrote: cnw6847 wrote: The layout is looking very good so far. I am looking forward to seeing it progress. What are you using for the buildings, scratchbuild or some kits? I thought the picture was taken in a model shop Hi CNW6847 Buildings are all scratchuilt. The round hoppers make use of two waste connections from the toilet (Not Used Ones) Small hopper from two tesco spice jars (wendy wasnt to happy when i left the spice in bags) The other a section off the outside drain pipe which was just the right dia. The rest is form board and plastic in emboss sheets and sections. Yes some of the shots were taken down in the shop uint Railways Unlimited/Cheona Publications. If you come you can get roped into modelling on layouts so beware. Peter Hi Peter Thanks for the info, the buildings look excellent. Cheers Richard __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:42 am sparky wrote: Can't wait to see more of this one Peter,some good work is coming out of Wales at the moment.I see you are using SMP track,is it finescale 00 or EM ? Looking forward to seeing more photos once your camera is sorted. Cheers, Geoff Hi Geoff Its OO SMP finescale. Martin Wales Jones tried to convert me to EM when I was building his layout but with a total of four other layouts I have collected something in the region of 2500 yes 2500 items of stock so can you imagine the cost of conversion? I never seem to get rid of anything. Cheers peter __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:25 pm Hi all Here are a few more photos I have taken some time ago One shot the method of the consrtuction of the baseboards which I have been asked about. All of them have been made from 9mm marine ply. The legs fold up within the main sturucture. Another view shows how the layout was at the open day between Christmas and New Year. These are held a number of times a year and all are wellcome. The final shot showes the air compressor plant that i have made for the layout. This is all hand made with the exception of some of the pipe fittings. This has now been finished and painted. More shots of how the layout is now when I get my camera fixted. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:19 pm Further to Peter's posting above, here are some of my photos I took of GTD when three of the baseboards were exhibited at the Llanberis show a few weeks ago. Obviously lots more work to do on the buildings and scenic side of things, but the addition of the wagons gives it a bit more depth and impression of scale. I am in charge of the freight rolling stock and already got a good fleet of 1950s/60s era ICI hopper wagons and 5-plank ICI opens, 1980s/90s ICI hoppers, 90s/00s PGA hoppers and JGA hoppers. Could do with some Freightliner HIAs, ex Nat Power JHAs and JMAs, and some EWS HOAs just for good measure (HOA future kit from Genesis?) Enjoy __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:22 pm Peter Whats the provenance of the ICI hoppers? __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:50 pm Hi Andy, Puts Mr ICI Hopper hat on The hoppers in the photos are the High Peak casters resin kits produced in 1987 or thereabouts and originally sold through the model shop in Buxton near the Market Square - long since closed. They are basic to say the least but with a bit of work and time can be made into good wagons. I have 7 (1980s/90s livery) plus 4 (50s/60s) of my own plus I look after another 7 (80s/90s) plus 10 (50s/60s) owned by Hazel Grove & DMRS. Plus a further 3 unbuilt examples, one High Peak, one Appleby Model Engineering plus the prototype from John Taylor and a further 5 unbuilt High Peak wagons. Peter also has 5-6 unbuilt High Peak wagons which I need to get on building for the layout!! I have divided the High Peak kits up into three variants, the first with a very heavy cast resin body with no interior hopper, second with improved casting and deeper interior and third ditto with thinner casting of sides and ends as resin casting improved. Rarely do you see examples for sale, so much so I scratchbuilt three new wagons from plasticard onto spare resin underframes. Peter and me have given serious consideration to developing our own kit for these wagons as a) we will need more for the layout, B) need some more for myself and c) lots of people ask me about them when they are out running on Hazel Grove & DRMS club layout 'Hazel Valley' . People seem very disapointed that you can't get a kit of what is quite an iconic wagon of the steam and diesel eras - lifespan just over 60 years in traffic in daily use. Remember in steam days it was upto 16 loaded, and then 18 loaded with Derby Type 2 Sulzers, then gradual increase with traction type to final days with pair of 37s with 24 loaded. So you couldn't really just buy one kit, you'd really need at least 10 to make a decent looking rake in any era. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:58 pm Hi Paul Ive some etched brass ones (10) on the way courtesy of John Taylor (Uncommon kits) Ive yet got to assess them against the pics / drawings in someones book but pretty sure i can get a good model out of what Ive seen. they will appear on the new MMRS layout loosely based on Peak Forest (it was to have been called Peak Dale but i understand someone has already blagged that name) __________________________________________ Comment posted by pharrc20 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:20 am I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask. Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout?? __________________________________________ Comment posted by sparky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:19 am Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please Cheers, Geoff __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andy C on Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:33 am pharrc20 wrote: I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask. Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout?? Thanks Paul I think John has some - probably obtained off yourself!! Im looking forward to getting stuck into them but John - whos one of my good mates - has his own timescale on Planet Sowerby __________________________________________ Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:57 am Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it. Elliott __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:42 pm British Railways wrote: Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it. Elliott Hi Elliott All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet. hope this answers your question. Keep watching Peter. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:53 pm sparky wrote: Brilliant,i'm not into the modern scene as i'm still stuck in a 1950-1960 time warp !!However this is a marvellous bit of work,more please Cheers, Geoff Hi Geoff Thanks for your comments very much appreciated. The layout is not just modern scene, I have tried to incorporate form the late 50's to present day but as all ways a little modellers licence has to come in. Pauls main interests lie more in the modern and blue era. Mine is the steam and green era, so we have the best of both worlds. Can you PM me with details of your layout as I am exhibition manager of the Colwyn model railway show at Llandudno and am intrested in your layout. Peter __________________________________________ Comment posted by Digital on Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:58 pm pharrc20 wrote: I can supply original drawings and dimensions plus a copy of ICI drawing if that helps. Ditto photos just ask. Didnt't Nick Gurney of Dyserth Road plan a Peak Dale layout?? Great layout guys, hope it comes to Colwyn Bay and I can get to see it Yes Nick did plan on doing Peak Forest at one time but now has built the superb "Holland Park" container layout. Best wishes John __________________________________________ Comment posted by British Railways on Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:21 pm trains12 wrote: British Railways wrote: Peter just a quick question providing it is a kit and not scratchbuilt what kit is the loading plant made from?, you may have already mentioned it but I can't find it. Elliott Hi Elliott All the buildings seen in the shots are scratchbuilt. The main building is made of formboard covered in embossed plasticard with the use of Plastruct sections, griders etc, and micro strip. Have also made use on the round hoppers items such as sprice containers ( I most buy some new ones for Wendy some to replace the bags now used. ) Waste pipe connections from the toliet, not used thank goodness and a section of one of the outside drain pipes which was just the right size. Windowa are either hand made using the old Slaters window system or cut down and modified Dornerplus. Am at the present working on the main hopper building to try and make it into a working loading unit, with real sound. the only kit buit items will be the signal boxes, Ratio but modified, and some of the small huts etc which will be Wills or Ratio. To date some 200 plus hours have been spent on the buildings some of which have not yet been photograped yet. hope this answers your question. Keep watching Peter. Thank You Elliott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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