NINJA Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I thought that as a possibility but would that not make it out of gauge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 No idea of the loading gauge up in Scotland. Or much else about Scotland's railways to be honest. I think there was a plan on them moving to a different route which never happened. The West Highland Line? Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 On 20/11/2019 at 09:24, cctransuk said: Let's hope that that is the case then - I had to pay a premium price to obtain mine. Regards, John Isherwood. I hope Hornby reintroduce the Clan within the next few years as it's been a very long absence last in the range 2011/12. Let's hope the toolings are still available you'd imagine so as they were only launched in 2009 so the toolings haven't been over used alot like the 1977/80s BR Class 43 HST power cars have! I've been hoovering over weather or not to buy a new one on eBay. The last time I bought a new train was In 2019 when I bought a new/old shop stock Hornby APT-P set , and just under a year later, a newly tooled APT-P was announced. So I'm now stuck with a brand new 1980 unused set 11 years older than myself! with all it's original packaging no damage to box its all perstine even includes the original 40 year old perished elastic bands with a new catalogue that has a slight new smell with a slight tinge of paraffin and with all it's original paperwork. Live and learn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, RyanN91 said: I hope Hornby reintroduce the Clan within the next few years as it's been a very long absence last in the range 2011/12. Let's hope the toolings are still available you'd imagine so as they were only launched in 2009 so the toolings haven't been over used alot like the 1977/80s BR Class 43 HST power cars have! I've been hoovering over weather or not to buy a new one on eBay. The last time I bought a new train was In 2019 when I bought a new/old shop stock Hornby APT-P set , and just under a year later, a newly tooled APT-P was announced. So I'm now stuck with a brand new 1980 unused set although it's still marvelous! 11 years older than myself! with all it's original packaging no damage to box its all perstine even includes the original 40 year old perished elastic bands with a new catalogue that has a slight new smell with a slight tinge of paraffin and with all it's original paperwork. Live and learn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 10 hours ago, NINJA said: What is the small protrusion on the cab sides just on top of the numerals, never seen it on photos of 72000 but it is on later ones. Thanks. Is it a bracket to hold a label with the driver’s name on it? (Don’t laugh!) They were fitted on Britannia’s, immediately above the numbers, at least on the driver’s side. I don’t know about Clans, though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) OK - forget that last post! There’s a very clear three-quarters rear picture of the fireman’s side of 72008 in the ‘Gallery’ section of the Clan Project website showing a fitting in the position described. That fitting is a socket for a portable Bryson tablet catcher. These would normally be folded up against the cabside, and only hinged down for use in tablet exchange, so would not foul the loading gauge. Locomotives regularly used on the ‘Port Road’ to Stranraer, such as the Kingmoor Clans (72005 to 72009) would be fitted with these sockets. (Some Jubilees had them as well.) The Polmadie Clans (72000 to 72004) did not have regular duties to Stranraer, so would likely not have had the fitting. Edit to add - there was some discussion of tablet catchers on ‘Clans’ in this (much!) earlier page of this topic: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/224-Hornby-clan/page/3/ Edited September 13, 2020 by pH 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Thanks ph for that explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Lovely models, the Hornby Clan... Hattons photo. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2020 Personally I’d love to see another run of the “Clan’s” and as several have pointed out, they share the same chassis and valve gear as the Britannia’s. When I last spoke to Hornby at a show, I got the feeling that they are going through the tooling inventory after their move back to Margate, with Simon Kohler at the helm to see what’s feasible and what isn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, jools1959 said: Personally I’d love to see another run of the “Clan’s” and as several have pointed out, they share the same chassis and valve gear as the Britannia’s. When I last spoke to Hornby at a show, I got the feeling that they are going through the tooling inventory after their move back to Margate, with Simon Kohler at the helm to see what’s feasible and what isn’t. From what’s been said previously, I believe the clan toolings were irreparably damaged at some point so are no longer available. Edited September 14, 2020 by Hilux5972 Correction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Hilux5972 said: From what’s been said previously, I believe the clan toolings were irreparably damaged at some point so are no longer available. But there have been postings to the contrary, too. John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2020 Does the Clan body fit onto the Britannia chassis without any problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 This is what I alluded to earlier. I knew it from books but it gets a brief mention on Wiki. Quote Clan number 72001 to this day remains the only Pacific locomotive to have worked over the West Highland Line, the result of a successful trial held in early 1956 to ascertain whether a Pacific type could traverse this steeply graded line.[20] Having passed that test, a tribute to the versatility of the class, Clan Cameron was allowed to work special trains for the Clan Cameron gathering that took place in June of that year.[21] In August 1958, number 72009 was tested on the Eastern Region, being based at Stratford MPD, though a preference for the Britannias meant that this sojourn was short-lived, lasting only a month. The locomotive was utilised on services from London Liverpool Street to Norwich, Clacton, and Harwich.[22] At first they were mistakenly allocated Class 7 duties, in which the Clans, although capable, were not able to keep to their allotted timings.[22] This was part of the trials for the West Highland Line services mentioned earlier, but the locomotive was rejected for such duties on the grounds that they were "no better than a good B1". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_Standard_Class_6 Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2020 16 hours ago, robmcg said: Lovely models, the Hornby Clan... Hattons photo. Agree - make a Britannia look top heavy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Two have appeared and sold straight away on the Hattons pre owned for about £190 in the last week or so. Even this knackered one is £165 if anyone wants a challenge. https://www.hattons.co.uk/548499/hornby_r2846x_po01_clan_class_4_6_2_72000_clan_buchanan_in_br_green_dcc_fitted_pre_owned_valve_ge/stockdetail.aspx No connection. Just watching for myself. But whereas I would possibly pay £190 for a brand new one. I would be reluctant to pay that for a second hand version. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Hi I Totally agree the Hornby Clan is a superb model full of detail. I purchased my one from a retailer on Ebay about four or five years ago for my Haymarket layout when they were on a special offer. By pure coincidence I have just go around to weathering it. My advise is just keep looking at Ebay at some time one will come up for sale with less interest in it and will go for a reasonable price. I have found this to happen many times in the past when buying used locomotives. Photo enclosed. Good luck David 16 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2021 So we have some new Clans at last. The cylinder covers are painted green on the late crest version 72009. Can anyone date the loco in this form please? I didn’t get one first time round but now I want one that was in a 1960s livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 This is good news that they have brought back the clan. well done Hornby, maybe I can get one to replace my first one what got stolen from a show we did back in 2010 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Hi, looking forward to the Clans when they come out. Can you tell me if the model of 72004 is suitable for changing to a late logo and adding an AWS box as I can’t trace when the loco received those mods. Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 19:18, brushman47544 said: So we have some new Clans at last. The cylinder covers are painted green on the late crest version 72009. Can anyone date the loco in this form please? I didn’t get one first time round but now I want one that was in a 1960s livery. If you look at the photo of 72009 on this link https://brsteam.livejournal.com/1354.html the cylinders look green to me under the dirt and is quoted as August 1964. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) On 05/01/2021 at 19:18, brushman47544 said: The cylinder covers are painted green on the late crest version 72009. Can anyone date the loco in this form please? I didn’t get one first time round but now I want one that was in a 1960s livery. A bit late in the day replying to your question. But when in the 1960s? I believe that Stewart started the 60s still with its Early Emblem but that it received a Late Crest and had its top lamp iron lowered in 1963. I have just been rebadging McLeod as Stewart. I am well pleased. You can read about it on my Blog https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/25047-no-166-a-tale-of-two-Hornby-super-detail-‘britannias’-plus-a-clan-postscript/ A taster: Clan Stewart alias R2847 Clan McLeod iaws running in 1960. Edited July 6, 2021 by Silver Sidelines 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted July 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2021 Anyone remember what a Clan sounds like? More specifically, would the Britannia TTS sound decoder - reservations about TTS in general notwithstanding - be close enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Downer said: Anyone remember what a Clan sounds like? More specifically, would the Britannia TTS sound decoder - reservations about TTS in general notwithstanding - be close enough? Good question Downer. Short answer I cannot remember, I would only have heard them draw away from perhaps Carlisle and that genearlly didn't require much effort. Clan, Britannia, both two cylinder locomotives. Both British Railways Standards. I would have been a good match. I find it difficult to distinguish many of the steam decoder sounds to the point that I have bought some CDs to play in the background. Diesel decoders seem to be far more obviously engine specific. Regards Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Are there any recordings on the old Argo steam sounds range? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ben Alder said: Are there any recordings on the old Argo steam sounds range? EAF 132 - THE BRITANNIAS AND THE CLANS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddgvn-3YctA Edited July 11, 2021 by pH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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