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1 hour ago, jonnyuk said:

....but its looks really plastic in the video,....

 

Yes that is how my wife refers to these toys.  I think part of the problem is the bright green running board.  I have convinced myself it needs a coat of black - just summoning up the courage.

 

Thanks Ray

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25 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

I recall that when I bought my 72008 it was the first loco I'd paid more than £100 for - in fact I think it was more expensive than the Britannia it was of course based on. Very disappointed with images and reports of the new edition though maybe it will look better in the plastic as it were. Got a trip out to places with model shops planned for the weekend so will see if I can be tempted .......  

 
Every time I see the green running plate it kills off any temptation 

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I got my (original release) Clan in a sale at the Holborn Modelzone. It had sat in the cabinet for weeks, then I noticed that Hornby stocks were dwindling in the store, though nothing had been mentioned anywhere. I got it for about £38 as I remember, I was well pleased with that and it soon changed id to Clan Stewart, the GE example. I happen to like the name too......

 

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Well, my 72004  Clan MacDonald arrived this afternoon. In my humble opinion,  worra stunner!

 

On the positive side:

The green looks very good, slight sheen to it and looks the right shade.  Much better than the A2s for instance.

The lining is orange and black, not red and black like the A2s etc.  The orange looks like the colour on various waterside and pressfix lining transfers, colour photos of BR locos and the lid of my really really old tin of Humbrol BR lining orange.   :-)

The lining on the side of the foot boards is also orange, matches the boiler/cab/tender lining ok, looks much better than the colour shown in earlier pics on this thread.

The cab detail is very good (this was a feature of the original models I believe).

Very nice screw link coupling already fitted, plus a spare.

And (as was mentioned earlier as well)  it comes with a flanged wheelset for the trailing wheels!  Yes, that's a.   flanged.    wheelset.         Ace stuff.

 

 

On the down side:

No top lamp iron (as was to be expected). 

Green foot boards, although I didn't actually notice those for  a while. I seriously doubt that original livery locos would have had that, probably bodies were made to fit 72009 and also used for 72004.

Also, and I don't think this has been noticed before, the top of the tender behind the coal space is also green!

Fortunately, secret weapon Tamiya XF-1 (or equivalent) is available to placate members of Clan Itshouldnthavegreenfootboards.   

 

Another plus point was the very good packaging. Rather like a multi-layered Russian doll.

Starting with the loco in the usual clear plastic hinged pack,   that goes in a clear plastic sleeve, which fits into a reinforced card box, which has a card sleeve, which goes into a plastic bag which slides into a sturdy cardboard box.  6 layers.  So arrived in perfect condition.

 

I'm super happy with this.  Haven't run it yet, so that's next. I'll be back.  later.

 

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10 minutes ago, railroadbill said:

Another plus point was the very good packaging. Rather like a multi-layered Russian doll.

Starting with the loco in the usual clear plastic hinged pack,   that goes in a clear plastic sleeve, which fits into a reinforced card box, which has a card sleeve, which goes into a plastic bag which slides into a sturdy cardboard box.  6 layers.

 

Sounds a bit overkill in these days of trying to reduce carbon footprints.

 

CJI.

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1 hour ago, cctransuk said:

 

Sounds a bit overkill in these days of trying to reduce carbon footprints.

 

CJI.

True. However, it does protect the loco very well. Think I've read somewhere that Chinese packaging designers test their products by what they called something like the  "Chinese drop kick" whereby a suitable burly worker boots the test package across the factory floor...

 

Some years ago (about 30) in my IT days I had a contract with a well known seller of food and clothes.  The EU (remember them?) had introduced a tax called the Green Dot tax which was intended to reduce packaging on products for sale. This was to reduce weight to be transported, energy and materials in producing the packaging in the first place, and most importantly, waste after the packaging was thrown away.  The company decided to pay the tax on excess packaging and go on as they were.  They calculated that their sales would drop otherwise because buyers had a perception that food was fresher and clothes crisper and cleaner if sold in the expected heavy duty packaging - which could also carry more of the brand's identifying logos. They were selling the packaging as a big part of the product!  So my colleagues and I produced them a computer system to track, calculate and pay the taxation. An overhead they were happy to pay as it didn't cut into their sales - or so they thought, as they hadn't tried reducing packaging...

 

Strange world.

 

But my Clan turned up in one piece....

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1 hour ago, railroadbill said:

 

 

Another plus point was the very good packaging. Rather like a multi-layered Russian doll.

Starting with the loco in the usual clear plastic hinged pack,   that goes in a clear plastic sleeve, which fits into a reinforced card box, which has a card sleeve, which goes into a plastic bag which slides into a sturdy cardboard box.  6 layers.  So arrived in perfect condition.

 

Sounds pretty much standard for Hornby of late.

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30 minutes ago, railroadbill said:

 

But my Clan turned up in one piece....

 

I thought there was some mention of a missing lamp iron.  Mine was damaged as though the front of the engine had been forced against the packaging - the bit broken off was in the tray under the engine.  'Stewart' of course had had its top lanp iron lowered so not the same problem,

 

Ray

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9 minutes ago, Silver Sidelines said:

 

I thought there was some mention of a missing lamp iron.  Mine was damaged as though the front of the engine had been forced against the packaging - the bit broken off was in the tray under the engine.  'Stewart' of course had had its top lanp iron lowered so not the same problem,

 

Ray

Yup, should have said "one piece without top lamp iron" of course. Couldn't find it.

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13 hours ago, railroadbill said:

Yup, should have said "one piece without top lamp iron" of course. Couldn't find it.

Exactly the same problem with my 72004, except the lamp iron was floating about in the clear plastic packaging (although I almost didn't recognise it for what it was) and was reattached.

If you look at the pic of 72004 on the Kernow website the top lamp iron on that loco is also missing..

Must be something to do with Hornby and top lamp irons, I believe on the A2/2s they went missing with monotonous regularity, and if I remember correctly on certain websites the issue was again displayed.

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Made a visit to one of my local emporium today.

 

I took photo’s of each loco I might be tempted to buy for reference but looking now I think they also provide a useful comparison of Hornby’’s most recent renditions of BR green passenger livery. 

 

The attached all taken with an iPhone and with the same lighting (albeit the A2’s are nearest the light source).  I think 72008, 46257  and 46211 are all the same shade of green and share the same orange/tangerine lining. Personal view - I don’t like it. The green isnt bad (but not as close to prototype as Bachmann) bu the lining is too bright and too far towards the yellow spectrum. I do also think the lining on the cab side and cylinders of 72008 is a different shade to the edge of the running boards.

 

Note that 72008 has a full compliment of lamp brackets too (unlike Cock of the North and Thane of Fife both of which were missing the top bracket). 

 

The cabinet of loco’s is  always a temptation (the only thing I actually needed was a CDU!) but having seen the Clan in the flesh and considered each of the others I couldn’t be tempted. And Hornby that is all down to execution of the livery.

 

In the end the only extra purchase was an Oxford Rail BP tank - my wife was amazed!

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Hi, is the model of 72004 suitable for a layout set in the late 50’s/early 60’s if the crest is updated to a late crest. Thanks Fred 

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1 hour ago, Fredo said:

Hi, is the model of 72004 suitable for a layout set in the late 50’s/early 60’s if the crest is updated to a late crest. Thanks Fred 

 

By 1960 there would have been some subtle changes which you may or may not accept.

 

There are not many pictures on Flickr - try searching Clan MacDonald and separate;y 72004.  There is anice view at Crewe with an early embelm labelled c 1952.

 

There are a number of views dated 1961.  One in particular from 'Peter' shows a Late Crest, no warning flashes, lamp iron still at top dead centre.  However I think the cab rear support has been modified to fit the rubber engine to tender weahter shield.

 

72004

 

https://flic.kr/p/dU9vtN

 

Cheers Ray

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18 minutes ago, Silver Sidelines said:

 

By 1960 there would have been some subtle changes which you may or may not accept.

72004 

 

https://flic.kr/p/dU9vtN

 

Cheers Ray

Indeed in this picture its a Taff Vale version, pending a transfer to South Wales for coal traffic and thus become an 0-6-2

 

:D

 

 

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I've reinstated the warning flashes to Clan Stewart, thanks to Ray's (Silver Sidelines) photo evidence, so it still has repainted running plate in black and black lined cylinders. I've decided to retain the late crest, even though Ray's evidence indicates it retained the early crest into 1961. 

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72004 model doesn't have speedometer drive or aws gear which 72009 has. So to be totally accurate it would depend on whether they were fitted before, when or after the late emblem was applied.

(reply to Fredo)

 

Actually, 72004 doesn't have speedo drive from rear driver in Ray's photo with late crest above. And it's got the top lamp iron.

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1 hour ago, Silver Sidelines said:

 

By 1960 there would have been some subtle changes which you may or may not accept.

 

There are not many pictures on Flickr - try searching Clan MacDonald and separate;y 72004.  There is anice view at Crewe with an early embelm labelled c 1952.

 

There are a number of views dated 1961.  One in particular from 'Peter' shows a Late Crest, no warning flashes, lamp iron still at top dead centre.  However I think the cab rear support has been modified to fit the rubber engine to tender weahter shield.

 

72004

 

https://flic.kr/p/dU9vtN

 

Cheers Ray


Behind the a  Clan is a new Sulzer “Peak” ( later Class 45) .They were new to the Midland Mainline from the beginning of 1961 and then worked regularly over the S&C into Glasgow St. Enoch on the “Thames Clyde Express “

 

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At the very real risk of everyone groaning "oh no not what-is-BR-green again", here's my take on it.  Pic taken in daylight.

 The Grange is sprayed with Precision Paints P101 BR loco green (post 1954) enamel and lined with modelmaster decals.

When the H-D Bristol Castle was manufactured, the full sized locos were still running in that livery. (Not that that necessarily makes the model correct, but you could have put the model in the pocket of your duffel coat,  gone to Paddington or wherever and checked it out).  :)

CoTN is definitely the odd one out with that turgid almost olive drab livery and red/black lining.

Which leaves.... 72004 as being, well, reasonable enough with the colour.  Looks ok running round the layout.  That doesn't extend to the green running boards and tender top, which will definitely need seeing to.

 

 

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3 hours ago, railroadbill said:

When the H-D Bristol Castle was manufactured, the full sized locos were still running in that livery. (Not that that necessarily makes the model correct, but you could have put the model in the pocket of your duffel coat,  gone to Paddington or wherever and checked it out). 

 

 

 

 

Well done Bill, a man after my own heart.  I too had the idea of comparing with Hornby Dublo but didn't have the confidence to suggest.

 

Cheers Ray

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Thanks Ray. Must say your blog was a good inspiration during lock downs, got my Mainline Royal Scot restoration finished among other things!

 

Been running in Clan on layout having oiled it per instructions,   slow running good after a bit of use.  When I tried a higher speed once or twice, top speed seemed very high.  I tried it on the same track as another loco, Hornby rebuilt WC, and the Clan was running faster on the same controller setting (DC).  So I'm wondering if the Clan is higher geared than the WC, seems that way compared to the A2s with their excellent slow running capabilities.

Clan perfectly usable, runs well but does have this high geared feel to it.

Anyone else find this?

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22 minutes ago, railroadbill said:

.... top speed seemed very high.

 

Clan perfectly usable, runs well but does have this high geared feel to it.

 

 

Thanks Bill

 

Yes I will second that comment.

 

When I posted my video back a few pages:

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/224-Hornby-clan/&do=findComment&comment=4606159

 

I commented that the New Clan MacDonald seemed to run faster than my old Clan McLeod (alias Clan Stewart).  I doubt very much that Hornby have altered the gearing.  However the motor is different - in particular the diameter of the part that fits into the motor retainer (nearest the tender) is a smaller diameter.  I came across this problem when I bought a replacement motor and it was a loose fit in the retainer on an old Britannia.  I had to find a suitable piece of plastic pipe to use as packing.

 

Cheers Ray

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Thanks for the link, Ray, just seen your video. These threads get so long it's difficult to remember what's already been posted!   The point about the new motor is useful, that explains the running.  Which said, the loco runs well and has more than enough pulling power. Does look good running round and I think this one will get a reasonable amount of running!

 

cheers

Bill

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On 14/10/2021 at 20:25, railroadbill said:

True. However, it does protect the loco very well. Think I've read somewhere that Chinese packaging designers test their products by what they called something like the  "Chinese drop kick" whereby a suitable burly worker boots the test package across the factory floor...

No good, they should outsource the test to Hermes.

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