RMweb Premium Steven B Posted November 6, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2009 And how much will it pull? Given that the Dapol tungsten chassis'd N Gauge Terrier will handle four or five Mk1s on the flat, the Farish 04 double that, I'd be suprised if the Sentinel couldn't manage something similar (although the lack of wheels might not help matters if your track laying isn't very good). Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_nicole Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Will this be a subscriber (to Model Rail) only offer ? Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
industrial Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 "What will it pull?" Well given that the real one on the Middleton can struggle with two coaches (converted BR PMVs) on wet rail up to the Park (which is admittedly 1 in 49 at its steepest point) then not much more than that really. These were designed as light yard shunters, not to take 30 HAAs over Ais Gill!! I'm sure it will be a great model of a widespread prototype - looking forward to it! One at Lay's Sidings could pull 10 10ton empty wagons and 4 10ton full wagons, so it should be not too hard for the model to do the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Looks like a winner! Another vote for easy EM/P4 conversion, I'm sure it would make it even more popular. I'd also like to see an unpainted version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Somerset and Dorset sentinel link.... There you go The S&D Sentinels were somewhat different in shape from our model, but remember, it's YOUR layout, if you want to run a Sentinel, you don't need to make an excuse to do so! CHRIS LEIGH S&D is the Stockton and Darlington, which did have preserved 'No. 54' at one point during its career!! But aside from tounge in cheek comments about which line was around first, I have no doubt the magazine is inundated with requests about gauge, colours liveries, clearences, price, timescales and what features the model has. Keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I'd also like to see an unpainted version. Presumably they have to make something physical before you can see that... The CAD is on the Dapol website though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Will this be a subscriber (to Model Rail) only offer ? No, absolutely not. This is a commercial enterprise and we want to sell as many as possible. We need to reach a certain figure just to recoup the tooling costs, so no restrictions, and if anyone wants a commercial deal for a batch in a particular livery as limited editions, we'll consider that, too. CHRIS LEIGH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_nicole Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Will this be a subscriber (to Model Rail) only offer ? No, absolutely not. This is a commercial enterprise and we want to sell as many as possible. We need to reach a certain figure just to recoup the tooling costs, so no restrictions, and if anyone wants a commercial deal for a batch in a particular livery as limited editions, we'll consider that, too. CHRIS LEIGH Thanks Chris, That's great news. Well I would like one with chips. I'm just wondering how to add the ventilation panels for a Y3... Chris (Black Hat) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 We are looking at body variations such as grilles etc to see if they can be incorporated in the tooling. CHRIS LEIGH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 10, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'd be hugely surprised if it didn't also venture over the Mendips Yes, so would I (be hugely surprised if they didn't that is!! biff wagons about for midlands brewers Some of us are working on a certain individual to achieve that aim!! shuffle secretively around all manner of improbable MOD depots I couldn't possibly comment... I agree that this is a fantastic choice for a small loco, and an ideal cross-over prototype between industry and 'main line' companies. Hopefully it will inspire more light railway and other similar type layouts too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 10, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2009 Will there be enough clearance for us P4 modellers? How about a body in primer grey, so we can spray our own colours? Also how about the upper body with all the pieces seperate, not assembled? 23.5mm clear between axleboxes will be adequate for EM/P4 purposes. 2mm axles please. 20 smph max My guess is that the enterprising P4 modeller will find a way to convert it satisfactorily to P4, even if the clearances end up having to be a bit tight, due to manufacturing reasons. As Miss P says, the 23.5 distance ought to be easily achievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 So long as I can get a S'nt'elens jobbie out of one..... B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveand Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Looking at the proposed specification. Please BIG NO to the belt drive. I have had problems with this sort of drive before where the belt expands and unless some way is provided to reset the tension then all "go" is lost. A proper geared chassis with drive to all wheels please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m mcdermott Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 br ex lner x 2 please but as previous poster geared chassis .no stretchy bits thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Though I've yet to email my suggestion/want to the magazine, how about considering a departmental Eastern region loco based at Chesterton Junction PW depot? It could be followed up with its replacement, the 03 diesel 91 or 92, as a limited edition Bachmann model, which would fit in well wuth the mag's policy on doing engineering items. I know the 03's were lettered for Chesterton Junction, but not sure if the Sentinels were, still trying to trace a picture of one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
industrial Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Though I've yet to email my suggestion/want to the magazine, how about considering a departmental Eastern region loco based at Chesterton Junction PW depot? It could be followed up with its replacement, the 03 diesel 91 or 92, as a limited edition Bachmann model, which would fit in well wuth the mag's policy on doing engineering items. I know the 03's were lettered for Chesterton Junction, but not sure if the Sentinels were, still trying to trace a picture of one. Do you know if the one at Chesterton Junction PW depot was still caring its mainline smokebox number as well as the departmental number as some did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold LH&JC Posted November 11, 2009 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2009 With regards to the belt drive if conventional (geared drive) isn't possible wouldn't chain drive be better in terms of reliability? Still I'll but at least 1 when they come out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Belt drive is being considered purely from the aesthetic viewpoint as it would look good driven in a similar way to the real thing. Chains that small would be impractical. I can't now remember which CAD views were used in the magazine, but if there's an underside view, it may well show the first idea for belt drive. This had one axle driven off each end of the motor and would have resulted in the axles rotating in opposite directions. That's what model development is all about! Belt drive is one aspect which is being considered. If it doesn't work, it won't be used. CHRIS LEIGH 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Do we actually need to email suggestions to MR, or will comments made here be taken into account as well? (My vote is for early BR or wartime black, although I have a feeling that I'll be getting one no matter what colours and letters it has on it!) Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 E-mails about the Sentinel are on a special Project Sentinel mailbox and go direct to Ben. If you post them on here, I'll have to take the details and pass them on to Ben as he doesn't read rmweb very often. I'd prefer it if you e-mail him direct and save me a job. CHRIS LEIGH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Pleased about this little project. One of these was based at Kelso for some years as yard pilot and was still there up to 1958 as far as I know. R.B. Tennant at Whifflet, Airdrie, operated a pair in their works until about 1980! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Pleased about this little project. One of these was based at Kelso for some years as yard pilot and was still there up to 1958 as far as I know. R.B. Tennant at Whifflet, Airdrie, operated a pair in their works until about 1980! Dave. Different type of Sentinel at Whifflets, http://www.srpssteam.com/locos/Sentinels.htm Arthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_nicole Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'd be looking for one of the Hull based Sentinels post war. Yeadon has some useful photos of various members of classes Y1 and Y3. It was surprising (to me) just how much variation in livery there was. Any chance of an un-numbered issue in basic black ? Possibly with a set of transfers to number your own... Chris 68151 Black Hat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 We've considered the unfinished black version a number of times but we feel that it effectively scuppers most of the potential follow-on liveries. Once people have lettered a plain black one, what incentive is there to buy a fully-finished one? Also, the plain unfinished one would need to sell at the same price as a fully finished example. The costs of producing it would be exactly the same but buyers would expect an unfinished one to be cheaper. CHRIS LEIGH 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Once people have lettered a plain black one, what incentive is there to buy a fully-finished one? Not a lot. But you make a sale, so who's complaining? Also, the plain unfinished one would need to sell at the same price as a fully finished example. Err, so you and your manufacturer could actually make more profit!! But again, who exactly is complaining at such a prospect? The costs of producing it would be exactly the same but buyers would expect an unfinished one to be cheaper. The costs of producing it would not be the same. Whether buyers expect the price to be cheaper is neither here nor there, really; if they want it, they will buy it. Look at what the American market has been doing for the last 20 years. All you are admitting is that UK manufacturers still cannot get their tiny brains around the market for undecorated models. And whilst we're on the subject, didn't I read a magazine editorial a few years back extolling the virtues of the availability of undecorated models? I wonder what magazine that was. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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