RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2021 If you look at the manufacturers website kadee.com Searching reveals that there are only 11 bulk packs available in HO and these seem to be fairly new. Depending on type the bulk pack is either 10, 25 or 50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Matt said: No connection to DCKits but have had decent service from Charlie over several years. I too have used DC Kits as a source of Kadee couplers many times and would agree that his mail order service is fine. I did meet him once at the Perth exhibition and he struck me as being rather grumpy. Maybe he'd just had a bad/busy day, it happens. I'm pretty sure that when I first started buying Kadee stuff from him he only did the couplings. I had to go to Gaugemaster to get things like the drill & tap set, non-standard (short and narrow) draft boxes and other spares and accessories. Charlie does seem to have more of the ancillary products these days, which is handy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 22 hours ago, melmerby said: Never found the need for a #20 and rarely #19... My Bachmann 170 needs one of these as anything less creates a lock going round some corners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2021 On 26/02/2021 at 19:24, melmerby said: Dc Kits are still selling them at £2.50 pair. That's where I get mine from They were but they've just gone up today. https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=89_91 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, gwrrob said: They were but they've just gone up today. https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=89_91 That's a big jump in 24 hours - 40%. I wonder what is going on? They are up in the US, now $7.49 for 2 pairs 50% more than the #146 which are still $4.99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) Our large delivery arrived on Friday from Kadee along with increased carriage charges (Double from last time in November) & £300.00 Import duty. They arrived in Leeds on the 14th and Parcel Force said they have sent 'Two Customs Letters) none actually received. There is even a £12.00 Fee for the taking 12days to deliver them to here (6 miles away) All USA Stuff currently is going silly, not sure why. Just look at the official distributors (Gaugemaster Controls) Website. I assume their delivery came in the last two weeks too!! Sorry for the bad news. Charlie Edited February 27, 2021 by charliepetty 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2021 Hi Charlie Isn't model railway stuff supposed to be 0% duty? That's what we are led to believe as they are classed as toys. Just found it. 0% duty and 20% VAT: https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/commodities/9503003000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 I was fortunate to have worked on exchange service with the USN some years back and I bought a heap before I left to come home. In recent years I have found a backdoor route to get any extras I have need - mainly to deal with my needs for NEM fitted stock which wasn't quite so common when I bought my original stock: I have an American friend who works permanently as a civilian for the US Military in Germany, she mail orders them for me to her AFPS (BFPO equivalent) address and we then find some way of couriering them to the UK (or more often collecting them when we see her). Elliott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 13 hours ago, charliepetty said: All USA Stuff currently is going silly, not sure why. If they're hitting you for £300 import duty when it should really be 0% as melmerby suggests then that's not "silly", it's incompetence verging on the criminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 13 hours ago, melmerby said: Hi Charlie Isn't model railway stuff supposed to be 0% duty? That's what we are led to believe as they are classed as toys. Just found it. 0% duty and 20% VAT: https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/commodities/9503003000 I suggest you tell Parcel Force, UPS and Fed Ex. I have tried all three. Charlie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinofLoxley Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 If no duty is due and you are being charged it, that is fraud, no. Call C&E 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) The Kadee prices sadly are increased as the list price has been increased, the buying prices are increased the only thing that has a real bearing is the price of the Pound against the Doller. The only thing to concern the customer is 'What you are going to pay' !!! https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=89_91&product_id=1248 https://www.expressmodels.co.uk/catalogue/kadee-couplers/kadee-no-18-coupler-detail https://www.themodelcentre.com/kde18-kadee-18-oo-gauge-nem362-european-coupler-short-8-63mm-2pr https://www.dcctrainautomation.co.uk/kadee-18-nem362-european-coupler-medium-863mm-2pr.html https://www.hattons.co.uk/77032/kadee_18kadee_nem362_kadee_coupling_medium_8_63mm_pack_of_four/stockdetail.aspx https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Kadee-18-Medium-Length-NEM-Knuckle-Coupler-OOHO_N105116962 https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/2255927880 https://railsofsheffield.com/products/32244/kadee-kde19-oo-gauge-kadee-19-nem362-european-coupler-medium-long-10-76mm-2pr- Edited March 6, 2021 by charliepetty 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hi Charlie I don't think anybody is denying that you sell at a competitive price. That's why all my recent orders have gone your way. It's just why have the NEM couplings increased by so much in a short space of time? It can't be blamed on currency variations as the pound is currently doing reasonably well against the $US. It's more why have Kadee increased the price so much in a short space of time. e.g. Why is a #18 now 50% more expensive than a #146?(US price list). Only Kadee know the answer to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, charliepetty said: The Kadee prices sadly are increased as the list price has been increased, the buying prices are increased the only thing that has a real bearing is the price of the Pound against the Doller. The olny thing to concern the customer is 'What you are going to pay' !!! https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=89_91&product_id=1248 https://www.expressmodels.co.uk/catalogue/kadee-couplers/kadee-no-18-coupler-detail https://www.themodelcentre.com/kde18-kadee-18-oo-gauge-nem362-european-coupler-short-8-63mm-2pr https://www.dcctrainautomation.co.uk/kadee-18-nem362-european-coupler-medium-863mm-2pr.html https://www.hattons.co.uk/77032/kadee_18kadee_nem362_kadee_coupling_medium_8_63mm_pack_of_four/stockdetail.aspx https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Kadee-18-Medium-Length-NEM-Knuckle-Coupler-OOHO_N105116962 https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/2255927880 https://railsofsheffield.com/products/32244/kadee-kde19-oo-gauge-kadee-19-nem362-european-coupler-medium-long-10-76mm-2pr- It's been in your favour for some time... https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 5 hours ago, maico said: It's been in your favour for some time... https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD Yes it has, I remember ordering a shipment about 14 months ago from Kadee and when it turned up I worked out I would be making 20p per pack, so I put the price up from £4.20 to £4.50, I remember as I forgot about the show stock untill a customer said 'You are the cheapest I have seen' Currencies are alway a problem I am afraid, and Covid with less but far dearer flights is a pain too. If you compare Kadee Couplings 12 months ago to say Bachmann Diesels, just compare a Class 25 then to a Class 24/1 today. Its the same issue, the UK is not a big player anymore. Charlie 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2021 On 28/02/2021 at 15:36, melmerby said: It's just why have the NEM couplings increased by so much in a short space of time? Just been talking about these with Harry of H & A Models and he was as shocked at the price increase too. He knew they were being increased and it seems it's the most popular types [NEM fitting] that have received the biggest price hike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I doubt that the NEM type are the most popular in Kadee's overall range.....maybe the lower quantity production is what has increased the price! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I've installed Kadees on many locos, coaches, and wagons but this one has me stumped. It's a ViTrains Class 37, and the existing coupling is attached with, what I can only describe as, a push-fit dovetail joint. See below. Does anyone know how to fit a Kadee in this circumstance and, if so, which Kadee coupling? Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 5, 2021 Would a normal dovetail fit? If so maybe some cobbling? It is awfully close to the bufferbeam, they normally sit back 10-12mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, melmerby said: Would a normal dovetail fit? If you mean the ones you sometimes get on Bachmann locos, then I don't think so. The dovetail is much 'shorter' in length. 30 minutes ago, melmerby said: If so maybe some cobbling? My shoes are fine thanks. I guess you'd mean a 'mash-up' of a Kadee #18 (with the NEM legs cut-off) and the ViTrains coupler (with the tension lock bit cut off), with some 'glue'? Surely someone 'must' have done this before ... Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 It has - a web search or search of this forum might bring it up = you either trim the shank of a NEM Kadee or buy a conversion part to fit the NEM Kadee knuckle. The Vi Trains mount is a NEM 363 (or near enough) . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I had to cut & glue a Kadee NEM type to fit into Vi loco. As I don't have that loco anymore , I can't supply a photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, ISW said: There are 2 NEM standards, from memory NEM 362 which is the standard "swallow tail" we all know and love and NEM 363 which looks remarkably like the picture I have included from your original post. If you look back up this thread you will see a post from me about fitting a Kadee to a Bachmann 4MT tank that has a stepped coupling at the back. In that I have detailed how to do it and where that parts came from. Basically you drive the pin out at the back of the Kadee knuckle (don't lose the pin as you need it for the next bit) and remove the swallow tail (NEM 362) and then fit the NEM 363 "adapter" in its place; the NEM 363 adapter will fit into the dovetail piece you can see above. I'm a bit hamstrung at the moment for both time and access to my notes and bits box, otherwise I would find all the details and give you a fuller answer. I can say that I bought the NEM 363 adapters from - I think - a model shop in Brackley (just off the M40) as I passed by one day. HTH Elliott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISW Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 10 hours ago, DutyDruid said: If you look back up this thread you will see a post from me about fitting a Kadee to a Bachmann 4MT tank that has a stepped coupling at the back. In that I have detailed how to do it and where that parts came from. Basically you drive the pin out at the back of the Kadee knuckle (don't lose the pin as you need it for the next bit) and remove the swallow tail (NEM 362) and then fit the NEM 363 "adapter" in its place; the NEM 363 adapter will fit into the dovetail piece you can see above. Elliot, Thanks for the response, that's most helpful. I knew 'someone' must have done this before. There isn't much that's 'new' these days ... I'll look up your original posting next. Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 On 26/03/2019 at 11:40, 47137 said: I've stumbled upon a possible solution for installing Kadee couplers into Bachmann stock with the NEM pockets at a non-standard height. 1) The Roco universal coupler in the height-adjustable version. Roco part number 40396: https://www.roco.cc/en/product/22611-0-0-0-0-0-0-003005-0/products.html This is the Roco "engineered" version of a tension lock coupler, not their similarly-named "close coupling head". Keep the NEM 363 slot part, and put the "head" to one side. 2) The AMF87 adaptor fret to fit a Kadee NEM head to a NEM 363 slot: https://www.aandhmodels.co.uk/amf-a265--interface-nem363kadee-for-coupling-locomotives-ree-models-36738-p.asp If anyone does this and it helps, I would gladly buy your unwanted Roco "head" parts, I can use these on some of my Continental models. - Richard. 10 hours ago, DutyDruid said: There are 2 NEM standards, from memory NEM 362 which is the standard "swallow tail" we all know and love and NEM 363 which looks remarkably like the picture I have included from your original post. If you look back up this thread you will see a post from me about fitting a Kadee to a Bachmann 4MT tank that has a stepped coupling at the back. In that I have detailed how to do it and where that parts came from. Basically you drive the pin out at the back of the Kadee knuckle (don't lose the pin as you need it for the next bit) and remove the swallow tail (NEM 362) and then fit the NEM 363 "adapter" in its place; the NEM 363 adapter will fit into the dovetail piece you can see above. I'm a bit hamstrung at the moment for both time and access to my notes and bits box, otherwise I would find all the details and give you a fuller answer. I can say that I bought the NEM 363 adapters from - I think - a model shop in Brackley (just off the M40) as I passed by one day. HTH Elliott 3 minutes ago, ISW said: Elliot, Thanks for the response, that's most helpful. I knew 'someone' must have done this before. There isn't much that's 'new' these days ... I'll look up your original posting next. Ian Hi Ian I'm waiting for some (house) paint to dry so picked up the laptop and did some searching back up this thread (easier for me because I knew what I was looking for). March 2019 was when this was last discussed and I think you will find most of what you are looking for in the first quote above. I used to flash up and down the M40 quite regularly in those days and I got the "bit" to convert the coupler head from a model shop in Brackley on one of those journeys (sorry, can't remember their name); the "universal cranked bit" that converts NEM 362 to 363 came from Gaugemaster. Elliott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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