RMweb Gold Red Fox Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2017 My weathered 450 has arrived from Kernow and is currently being run in. I was a bit apprehensive about the weathered finish but IMHO Bachmann have done an excellent job, the light coloured roof isn't as over powering as it appears in some pictures though the underframe dirt maybe goes a bit too high on to the bodyside. Lots of nice little details printed on like warning labels and no smoking signs, seats are the correct colour in standard and first. Little niggles - the side destinations boards only saying Waterloo when they normally say London Waterloo and I'm not 100% on the bodyside blue though this does seem to vary on the real thing depending on condition, I wonder if the unweathered version will appear darker? But overall I'm very happy with the unit. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hue Jarse Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just as a point of interest: Even before the demise of SWT in a couple of weeks time, the weathered version 450127 is already 'out of date' as it was named "Dave Gunson" at Woking on 26th July after the guard who was killed in a hit and run road incident just before Christmas. http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/15451165.Train_tribute_to_guard_killed_in_crash/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) I don't normally do 2017 era EMUs but as this is occasionally my ride to work I decided to make an exception.. Really nice detail, including the roof detail. The colour is absolutely spot on. All cars with pickups, wiring through the couplings, expect this to be a smooth runner. Only gripe is the extremely large block in the motorised car, it's not very noticeable unless you put it to the light (see below), but on my layout in normal light I don't see this will be an issue. Mine is going to Portsmouth, I saw reference earlier there's are going to Waterloo ? Edited August 12, 2017 by adb968008 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Yippee! They've got them out just in time to be up-to-the-minute current trains for two more weeks, until First MTR replaces 'South West Trains' with it's own name That would be LSWR livery. Well LSWR (2017). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2017 I don't normally do 2017 era EMUs but as this is occasionally my ride to work I decided to make an exception..IMG_2973.JPGIMG_2969.JPGIMG_2962.JPGIMG_2974.JPGIMG_2975.JPG Really nice detail, including the roof detail. IMG_2946.JPG The colour is absolutely spot on. All cars with pickups, wiring through the couplings, expect this to be a smooth runner. Only gripe is the extremely large block in the motorised car, it's not very noticeable unless you put it to the light (see below), but on my layout in normal light I don't see this will be an issue.IMG_2977.JPG Mine is going to Portsmouth, I saw reference earlier there's are going to Waterloo ? Thank you very much for posting the pictures. I don't usually buy passenger units but I have to say that these 450s by Bachmann look fantastic. I don't model the southern region of the country either but I may buy one or both of these 450s. The livery and attention to detail is captured really well. Just from seeing the pictures I think Bachmann deserve a big well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Red Fox Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2017 Mine is going to Portsmouth, I saw reference earlier there's are going to Waterloo ? Weathered version has Waterloo as a destination though the unweathered review sample in Model Rail has Waterloo on the cab display and Portsmouth & Southsea on the side display? The 450's and 444's are quite commonly seen displaying 'South West Trains' and 'SWT' on the side and cab displays respectively, maybe that would have been a better option over P&S? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart2day Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) I don't normally do 2017 era EMUs but as this is occasionally my ride to work I decided to make an exception..IMG_2973.JPGIMG_2969.JPGIMG_2962.JPGIMG_2974.JPGIMG_2975.JPG Really nice detail, including the roof detail. IMG_2946.JPG The colour is absolutely spot on. All cars with pickups, wiring through the couplings, expect this to be a smooth runner. Only gripe is the extremely large block in the motorised car, it's not very noticeable unless you put it to the light (see below), but on my layout in normal light I don't see this will be an issue.IMG_2977.JPG Mine is going to Portsmouth, I saw reference earlier there's are going to Waterloo ? That looks absolutely stunning. I have never even seen a 450 in real let alone travelled on one but just looking at those pics makes me very tempted by the model. Well done Bachmann! Edited August 12, 2017 by bart2day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) I don't normally do 2017 era EMUs but as this is occasionally my ride to work I decided to make an exception..IMG_2973.JPGIMG_2969.JPGIMG_2962.JPGIMG_2974.JPGIMG_2975.JPG Really nice detail, including the roof detail. IMG_2946.JPG The colour is absolutely spot on. All cars with pickups, wiring through the couplings, expect this to be a smooth runner. Only gripe is the extremely large block in the motorised car, it's not very noticeable unless you put it to the light (see below), but on my layout in normal light I don't see this will be an issue.IMG_2977.JPG Mine is going to Portsmouth, I saw reference earlier there's are going to Waterloo ? Snap ................... oh hang yours is smaller ............. 450073 on todays' 14:53 Basingstoke - Woking approaching Winchfield Technically both models are out-of-date anyway as the real things as a fleet have been running without the water filler pipe covers on the trailer coach bodyside for some years .................... who cares ....... these are stunning Edited August 12, 2017 by Southernman46 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1023 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) O/T slightly, but in the past 2 days I have twice seen a 450/444 combo (444021 & uid 450 on Friday and 450013 & uid 444 yesterday). I don't ever recall seeing this before - does anybody know if it is a regular thing? (Both times in Pompey) Edited August 13, 2017 by steve1023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 In the early days of class 444, they were tested and run between two class 450 units, making 13 car trains. This was at a time when they weren't allowed to be driven on the main lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) O/T slightly, but in the past 2 days I have twice seen a 450/444 combo (444021 & uid 450 on Friday and 450013 & uid 444 yesterday). I don't ever recall seeing this before - does anybody know if it is a regular thing? (Both times in Pompey)Has happened for many years, the Alton turn often produced a 450/444 combo in the evening peak when I used to travel regularly. Also had a few on Weymouth/Poole services from Waterloo over the years. Roy Edited August 13, 2017 by Roy Langridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 O/T slightly, but in the past 2 days I have twice seen a 450/444 combo (444021 & uid 450 on Friday and 450013 & uid 444 yesterday). I don't ever recall seeing this before - does anybody know if it is a regular thing? (Both times in Pompey) There is a booked turn for a 450/444 combo on the Poole/Weymouth line, can't remember the specific services involved however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Red Fox Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2017 O/T slightly, but in the past 2 days I have twice seen a 450/444 combo (444021 & uid 450 on Friday and 450013 & uid 444 yesterday). I don't ever recall seeing this before - does anybody know if it is a regular thing? (Both times in Pompey) A few years back when I was a regular morning traveller my train was more often than not a 450/444 combo, I think it was due to a 444 refurbishment program being underway and also some damage to a 444 meaning there were less of them about. Normally the 450 was the leading unit to Waterloo, I always went for the 444 section and judging by how full it got it seemed everyone else did the same. Quite the reverse of the normal 2 x 444 formation where most of the commuters would try and cram in the front unit for a quick exit at Waterloo leaving plenty of seats in the rear unit. There is a booked turn for a 450/444 combo on the Poole/Weymouth line, can't remember the specific services involved however. One of the mid morning Weymouth-Waterloo fasts has been joining up with a 450 at Southampton Central the last few times I've been on it, 0903 ex Weymouth rings a bell but I'm not certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hue Jarse Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Looking at the pictures above, can someone who already has theirs tell me if optional front end parts (such as a dummy delner) are supplied, in order to make it look a little more realistic for those who just want to run as a single unit. For comparison with pictures of the model - link Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Only gripe is the extremely large block in the motorised car, it's not very noticeable unless you put it to the light (see below), but on my layout in normal light I don't see this will be an issue. Now that is a fine looking model! Mine is currently at the Interlink depot waiting delivery on Monday from Kernow. I cannot wait! The block does not seem to be an issue from your photo, seeing as the access toilet module is found under the pantograph well. Thus looks fairly prototypical to me. My only gripe from photos is the end gangway surrounds where the yellow and blue creeps onto the end. Nothing what a quick sharpie won't solve though! O/T slightly, but in the past 2 days I have twice seen a 450/444 combo (444021 & uid 450 on Friday and 450013 & uid 444 yesterday). I don't ever recall seeing this before - does anybody know if it is a regular thing? (Both times in Pompey) There were/are up to 6 daily diagrammed 444-450 combinations on the Waterloo-Weymouth route, of the top of my head is either the 09:38 or 10:38 from Southampton Airport parkway. The 16:35 out of Waterloo is. Interestingly the 21:05 out of Waterloo is two 450s! Avoid!! Though with the timetable currently in chaos due to the Waterloo works, the 11.50 out of Waterloo is currently a combo with the 450 heading through to Weymouth. Certainly easy to miss as only a few diagrams, but it is a regular thing. As for a 444 model, I think we have more chance in inventing a shrinking machine and stealing a real 444 to reduce to 1:76. Though those rare Steam engines and early BR locomotives where only a dozen or so were built all seem to be getting tooled now. So never say never to a 444 model! (Though I secretly pray for a 442 model nightly) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Red Fox Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2017 Looking at the pictures above, can someone who already has theirs tell me if optional front end parts (such as a dummy delner) are supplied, in order to make it look a little more realistic for those who just want to run as a single unit. For comparison with pictures of the model - link Yes they are. Same as the 350's, the object deflector plugs into the NEM pocket and the dummy Delner fits (poorly) in a hole in the chassis plus there are mouldings representing the wiring between coaches should you wish to attach them. One thing different is that the dummy Delner head is no longer supplied pre-attached to it's arm, you have to glue them together. Another minor difference between the 350's and the 450's packs is that the instructions, collectors club and warranty leaflets are all now combined in one neat booklet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) The block does not seem to be an issue from your photo, seeing as the access toilet module is found under the pantograph well. Thus looks fairly prototypical to me. Yes the toilet block is where the block is, and if you look through the window, there is a partial gap too, as if a corridor, so it's acceptable, but the block does cover the exit doors too, but we can let that pass, you won't notice it. The weathers too nice today to lock myself in the dark of the train room, so I'll look tomorrow or tonight. There is a parts bag supplied. Edited August 13, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Red Fox Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2017 Cab front of weathered version with object deflector and droopy Dellner attached. Side display with Waterloo destination. Weather like this makes me wish I had a garden railway! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I am sorely tempted to buy one of these and build a London-based layout for it. Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me the overall length of Bachmann's four-car unit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2017 I am sorely tempted to buy one of these and build a London-based layout for it. Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me the overall length of Bachmann's four-car unit? Just over 1007mm - 42 inches in old money. HTH Godfrey PS They are beautiful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Lime Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Many thanks Godfrey, just confirms my worst fears - my wallet will have to suffer! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) O/T slightly, but in the past 2 days I have twice seen a 450/444 combo (444021 & uid 450 on Friday and 450013 & uid 444 yesterday). I don't ever recall seeing this before - does anybody know if it is a regular thing? (Both times in Pompey) Agree with all of the above replies - I think the current ones are something to do with the Waterloo work alterations 13:19 Ports Hbr - Waterloo @ Guildford on 11/08/17 - 450113 topping 444021 (your Friday one) Note the spanking mirror like finish of the 450 ............ Edited August 13, 2017 by Southernman46 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FairwayJunction Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 That would be LSWR livery. Well LSWR (2017). I did some research and the new franchise starting from the 20th of August will be called "South Western Trains". I wish they called it "London South Western" but oh well. Anyway an interesting point to note is the new franchise is announcing plans to refurbish and enter 18 Class 442s to service for use on London Waterloo to Portsmouth services so perhaps we may see the class 442 in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2017 the new franchise is announcing plans to refurbish and enter 18 Class 442s to service for use on London Waterloo to Portsmouth services so perhaps we may see the class 442 in the future. I doubt it, The Desiro just needed a few tweaks to the tooling, a 442 would be all new tools and restricted to Southern areas. There's a whole thread on the franchise and discussion on the 442's elsewhere. How the 442's perform on a section of line they struggled on in the past and had to run as 10 cars, with restricted stops in poor conditions, remains to be seen the sand bins are still there according to one of our MOM's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FairwayJunction Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I doubt it, The Desiro just needed a few tweaks to the tooling, a 442 would be all new tools and restricted to Southern areas. There's a whole thread on the franchise and discussion on the 442's elsewhere. How the 442's perform on a section of line they struggled on in the past and had to run as 10 cars, with restricted stops in poor conditions, remains to be seen the sand bins are still there according to one of our MOM's! Yes you are quite right, I don't know what South Western Trains are planning but the future will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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