MGR Hooper! Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) You are missing the point - if you are already making provision for DCC then adding a slightly larger space for a sound chip and speaker is really not that difficult. The compromise is made before that in working out if you can fit the mechanism and interior in (the DCC sound provision does not significantly increase the compromise you may have already had to make). OK...But my posts are not from Dapol's point of view. They aren't releasing any DCC sound fitted ones. My posts are from a customer's point of view. Dapol may have thought of such things and created the space for it. But with a large variety or speakers and dimensions to them you may need to do some hacking. Which was why I said it may be tough. Edited April 26, 2016 by MGR Hooper! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted April 26, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 26, 2016 You seem determined to miss the point! If the manufacturer designs in the space then there is no need for anyone to hack anything! It is just a case of finding the dimensions of say a Loksound Micro (or Zimo equivalent) plus a sugar cube speaker and making sure that sufficient space is left for them (for the customer to fit). There is a significant demand for DCC sound ready (or fitted) models in N gauge so not designing in space seems perverse. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted April 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2016 Now now, we're criticising a model, which has been on the drawing board since 2010? I'm just pleased Dapol have finally moved the project forward and closer to production. But still no real photos, which is disappointing. I hope they have got the dimensions correct and not done another class 56. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted April 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 27, 2016 Never said it was impossible...But with the expectations these days it is going to be difficult to have an interior modeled, detailed underframe and also DCC sound. Somewhere, something has to be compromised. Hi Obviously you haven't seen the 101 or 108 then. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Hi Obviously you haven't seen the 101 or 108 then. Cheers Paul I have and it's certainly not the same size as a 142...and hence my worries. I've seen people complain about OO gauge models and how DMUs had to have a higher floor due to the drive mechanism and DCC fitments. So I shared my worries... All Dapol has shown us is a 3D printed sample, in which the windows are the wrong size. Could it be because of them not wanting a drive system to be seen? Edited April 28, 2016 by MGR Hooper! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 There is a significant demand for DCC sound ready (or fitted) models in N gauge so not designing in space seems perverse. Mind you the 142 has been past Dapols initial drawing board stage so long ago that it was before DCC and sound were invented, so designing it in probably hasn't been considered. ;-) G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 If DCC sound (chip and speaker) can be fitted within the tender of a Farish Ivatt 2-6-0 I can't see the 142 being too much of a problem. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted April 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2016 The Class 142 has a lot of glass, no guards and parcel section and is a small train without bogies. So I do see why installing a drive system with DCC and sound functionality without compromising looks to a point that will cause complaints will be a challenge. I'm also not saying it is impossible, but it'd be quite a challenge in this particular model in N. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I haven't seen what the mechanical spec is to be but assuming only one axle of each car is powered there would appear to be room below the window line over a non powered axle for speaker and chip, I' not hugely familiar with the prototype but googling a selection of pictures there does appear to be lots of body below the windows. Regards Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted May 2, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 2, 2016 It's about time in n that DCC was standard, because then precious space for DCC sockets wouldn't be wasted. Also I find N runs much better on DCC than under analogue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) It's about time in n that DCC was standard, because then precious space for DCC sockets wouldn't be wasted. Also I find N runs much better on DCC than under analogue. So I have to pay for something I don't want and will have to take out just because you cannot get a layout to work on DC? I don't mind people going DCC as long as they don't start insisting that I have to adopt it. As for the 142s its about time, but I would want both axles powered. Edited May 2, 2016 by Bomag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977joey Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) So I have to pay for something I don't want and will have to take out just because you cannot get a layout to work on DC? I don't mind people going DCC as long as they don't start insisting that I have to adopt it. As for the 142s its about time, but I would want both axles powered. I totally agree on that. My layout is standard DC & I enjoy it that way, not everyone wants to convert to DCC, I think modellers should remain with the choice to do either. Cheers, Mark Edited May 23, 2016 by 1977joey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted May 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2016 Built in DCC wouldn't mean the model won't run on DC. DCC chips can sense analogue DC and run as normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunnan Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Built in DCC wouldn't mean the model won't run on DC. DCC chips can sense analogue DC and run as normal. That then requires people who don't want DCC, to have to pay for it anyway. Why should anyone have to pay for something they don't want? If its designed with fitting in mind then the choice remains with the customer. By and large, the factory fitted DCC in most of the models I've bought aren't as good as I'd like them, so they've ended up being replaced anyway; at additional cost which I am becoming more reluctant to continue to meet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) That then requires people who don't want DCC, to have to pay for it anyway. Why should anyone have to pay for something they don't want? If its designed with fitting in mind then the choice remains with the customer. By and large, the factory fitted DCC in most of the models I've bought aren't as good as I'd like them, so they've ended up being replaced anyway; at additional cost which I am becoming more reluctant to continue to meet. If having the chip in all models is the only way that model can be financially viable, would you still rather do without, or prefer that nobody gets that model? Just a thought Les Edited May 28, 2016 by Les1952 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I really don't understand why this thread has become an argument about DCC. I know the 142 has been a long time coming but fighting over DCC is not the way to alleviate the wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted May 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2016 Similarly DC users with ultrasonic track cleaners cannot really run DCC fitted items as well less they go bang.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium MrSimon Posted May 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 25, 2017 This June? I thought they were doing a North Western livery one with the gold star? I only remember that livery and the Mersey Yellow/White... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Looks like it will be June according to their website page. http://www.Dapol.co.uk/product-development/n-gauge-product-development/N-Gauge-Class-142 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Hallo, just looked at the site, I understand that to mean that the evaluation of the deco sample stage is due for completion at end of Q2, not that they are due for release end Q2 es grüßt pc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted June 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2017 Oh dear! The windows still seem to be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 No original provincial livery available yet though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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