Horsetan Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 ....I'm getting close to my forthcoming nuptials now though.... I thought you were already wedded to your projects? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Sean: three sets of Fox transfers??? For one Deltic? I'm trying to get by on just the one! At the risk of sounding arrogant, you're welcome to a set if you want them? I'm sure even I won't use all three..... If you have a look at the real ProtoDeltic, you will see that its chevrons and speed lines are very thin plated metal strips. Thinking ahead, it seems easier to remove the Kitmaster moulded efforts, and then replace them with much thinner ones. Paper or shim will do, and the shapes can be derived from the Fox transfers themselves. You'd only need three sets if you were constantly getting the shapes wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Crivvens!!! Sean You're reading far too much Pratchet! or are the free wee men giving a helping hand in all this? Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Craftsman Models still list a ProtoDeltic conversion set (DK22) at a cost of £14.95 - this might be where your etched strips came from, Sean? ....I'm going to carve off the raised EE plaques etc too as Fox do some lovely etched replacements. Yes, those can all come off. I've got the same EE plaque set. Incidentally, I've worked out that if you type the search word "Deltic", and select "Galleries" in the RMWeb search engine, my ProtoDeltic photo album does show up. Weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hello All, IIRC, the last time that I saw the proto Deltic. the front chevrons were just painted on the dark blue or black line around them makes them look like plates. I would show what I mean in a photo but I don't have copyright for it. You will not get a shadow line at the top and the bottom if it stands out in normal light. The side bands were, still are? Like a double ogee curve with the middle a bit wide. These were on raised strips of metal. If you want photos that show what I mean, PM me. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hello All, IIRC, the last time that I saw the proto Deltic. the front chevrons were just painted on the dark blue or black line around them makes them look like plates. I would show what I mean in a photo but I don't have copyright for it. You will not get a shadow line at the top and the bottom if it stands out in normal light. .... Fascinating. I've seen a couple of photos on Flickr that suggest the chevrons were painted on a plate, as they appear proud of the surface..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2011 well, I'm okay, I can post this the side chevrons are raised, wooden mouldings I think, but the front chevrons also look raised to me (look at the top edges where they go round the side) they are thin though HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 well, I'm okay, I can post this the side chevrons are raised, wooden mouldings I think, but the front chevrons also look raised to me (look at the top edges where they go round the side) they are thin though HTH If the chevrons are on say 1/8" metal bands that works out at 0.0015" thick (in 4mm). so for all and intent and purposes the thickness of a transfer. The body side bands are different. These ones need a bit of depth to get them to look right but not that much. so how do you do it? OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 If the chevrons are on say 1/8" metal bands that works out at 0.0015" thick (in 4mm). so for all and intent and purposes the thickness of a transfer. The body side bands are different. These ones need a bit of depth to get them to look right but not that much. so how do you do it? I was proposing paper strips for the side bands? Could you do it with Rizla? .....As it is, I have a set of chevrons from the Craftsman conversion kit as mentioned by Horsetan above. I may, (to save a lot of awkward bending), just use the transfers as they are. BTW Horsetan, I have three sets, so if you need some, let me know. I have a complete set of the Fox transfers, thanks Sean, but will let you know if there's a cock-up! .....The Dapol Deltic kit will also be on standby, but I might let Horsetan do all the hard work and just copy his ideas!..... Probably safer, eh Sean? Probably...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I have cut the test sideframe and put in the first U-channel inserts to stretch the wheelbase a bit nearer to the Heljan bogie. You only need about 1mm of channel, but to my eyes it is something worth doing. It also gives you space to put in the dampers which were fitted to the bogies from about 1959 onwards (the real thing has them picked out in black paint now). Photos to follow before I finally apply the solvent to join them all back together..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2011 Any one out there in RMwebland live near Shildon????? erm, Sir Haydn of this parish is the Senior Curator of Rail Vehicles at NRM and is based at Shildon. I am informed his office is some 400 ft from DP1. send him a PM, he obliged me with a close up photo of the fuel gauge so that I could shrink it down for my model. as the AA used to say - "He's a very nice man!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 ....I do keep checking the gallery section, but sometimes have trouble looking at all the pictures on there. You're not the only one. Even I have trouble viewing my own photos...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 >>ProtoDeltic hack gallery link here Click on the image link to get to the ProtoDeltic album. After uploading the last few pics, I have noticed that if I'm not logged into RMWeb, then the pics don't show up in the "Recent Gallery Images" strip on the homepage. But if I am logged-in, then they do.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I was proposing paper strips for the side bands? Could you do it with Rizla? Hello All, I was thinking along the lines (sorry) of two thicknesses of transfer lining cut about .5 -- 1mm narrower than the finished lines and set on the body along the center line of the line. Then the finishing line applied over them. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Rather you than me OzzyO. Sounds a bit too much "faff" for this modeller. Think I'll stick with my etches or just the transfers..... "if it looks right it is right" Cheers. Sean. That sounds good to me to, I think that I would just go for the transfers. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 ..... I think that I would just go for the transfers. Shall we give that a go, then, once the body is finally looking half-decent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 YEAH! seconded. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I found an untouched bottle of Railmatch ProtoDeltic Blue paint last night. The feckin' cap won't unscrew...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I found an untouched bottle of Railmatch ProtoDeltic Blue paint last night. The feckin' cap won't unscrew...... Turn it upside down, spray airbrush cleaner between the jar and the cap, leave for a few minutes and it should come undone. If not repeat the process HTH Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 ....Are you spraying or brushing? I'll be brushing, unless someone can show me a massive spray can of ProtoDeltic Blue.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 21, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2011 How big is massive? Nip down to your local Halfrauds for a can of Lada Adriatic Blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I'll be brushing, unless someone can show me a massive spray can of ProtoDeltic Blue.... How many are you going to paint . OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 ....Nip down to your local Halfrauds for a can of Lada Adriatic Blue. What, so the thing can fall apart quicker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 21, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2011 What, so the thing can fall apart quicker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 What, so the thing can fall apart quicker? Why should it? OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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