RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2011 Were these two that have been returned from Turkey originally WD stock or did they ever run on the LMS? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 My recollection of the rules for moving shunting locos dead-in-train on BR is that they were limited to 20 or 25 mph (about the equivalent of the 40 kph the Turkish convoy was meant to be moved at) and they had to be stopped for examination every hour or so. One other reason they always went slowly is that usually at least the connecting rod is removed. This means the wheels are out of balance and will hammer the track if moved at a higher speed. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 That was what was said at first, later comments by the team seem to suggest electrical failure. Very likely that a traction motor overheated and caused the loco to fail, but the shower of sparks was from the wheel rail interface, you don't see anything from an overheated traction motor, its all enclosed and would be shut down by the protection circuits before there's anything to see. If its a DC traction motor failure could have occurred in the brushgear or in the windings depending on their condition before the overload, or if they were lucky it might have shut down before there was serious damage. Regards Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 20, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2011 Very likely that a traction motor overheated and caused the loco to fail, Regards Keith It was certainly getting a bit of a hammering. The engine note suggested a lot of power was being applied but it wasn't going anywhere fast! Over all the Turkish railway authorities seem to have a bit of a cavalier attitude to moving the locos. Even the faulty air brake pipes were fixed with a bodge! I can't see Network rail letting anything like that happen. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Were these two that have been returned from Turkey originally WD stock or did they ever run on the LMS? Keith 45166 was WD 341 and 45170 WD 554, built by NBL in 1941 and 1942 respectively for the WD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 21, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2011 45166 was WD 341 and 45170 WD 554, built by NBL in 1941 and 1942 respectively for the WD. Thanks for that. I assume therefore that the one already repatriated from Turkey was also a WD ordered loco and the "built GWR" plate was just to tie in with it's sometime false identity as an LMS 84XX series loco. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod6 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Short topic on the TV programme merged into this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Thanks for that. I assume therefore that the one already repatriated from Turkey was also a WD ordered loco and the "built GWR" plate was just to tie in with it's sometime false identity as an LMS 84XX series loco. Keith 45160 was WD 348 built by NBL in 1941 According to this web page there are two more dumped in Turkey along with one in a museum and one on a plinth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 21, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2011 45160 was WD 348 built by NBL in 1941 According to this web page there are two more dumped in Turkey along with one in a museum and one on a plinth. I wonder who will try for the other two dumped ones then? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr miles 73129 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Credit to the guys who made this happen, I've seen pictures of the dumped ones that remain there one is in a bad way with no tender the other is in a compound with other locos and rolling stock I've also seen the one in the camilak museum but I couldn't find any pictures of the plinthed one? But i know there is one. Let's hope they bring some more back as mentioned Eleyer they are virtually complete locos all fittings and pipework etc alot easier to restore than a Barry wreck, while Im here does anyone know what happened to the others that were sent there and I don't mean the ones in the sea, I mean the ones that ran there during the war, did they get scrapped over there or did they return after the war? Cheers ad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 9, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2012 There are some photos of sidings at Alasehir linked in Google Earth. One appears to show an 8F on the outermost siding to the right of the picture. The loco is at 38°21'24.79" N 28°30'59.80" E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted February 12, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2012 There are some photos of sidings at Alasehir linked in Google Earth. One appears to show an 8F on the outermost siding to the right of the picture. The loco is at 38°21'24.79" N 28°30'59.80" E That would, according to sources on line, be 45165. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If the National Preservation Forum is to be believed, it appears 45166 is off to Isreal - noted at Southampton Docks this evening. Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I really hope one of these locos are restored to as built WD condition complete with westinghouse air brake gear and the big cylinders on the running plate all in WD black or grey complete with there WD identity, instead of a next in line BR number. It would form and represent an important part of the class history and the large roll the Railways played in the war. would certainly look the part at any war time gala along with a WD 2.8.0. and an s160. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben racey Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I really hope one of these locos are restored to as built WD condition complete with westinghouse air brake gear and the big cylinders on the running plate all in WD black or grey complete with there WD identity, instead of a next in line BR number. It would form and represent an important part of the class history and the large roll the Railways played in the war. would certainly look the part at any war time gala along with a WD 2.8.0. and an s160. I think the numbers quoted are the Turkish numbers rather than the next in line BR number. Regards Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 II was'nt confused by the numbers given. I mean I hope they dont just restore them and give them a non existent BR number. There are plenty of 8Fs preserved but none in as built WD condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Heritage Railway mag confirms that the above 45166/WD341 has been sold to Isreal for preservation at Be'er Sheva as Isreal Railway 70414 (WD414). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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