corax67 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Oops - hold the phone All harnesses have UK orientation on the 8 pin plugs they may indeed be plug'n'play - I really should pay more attention when reading detailed posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Hi Spocky, If you are familiar with the Bachmann 3 function decoders, the 56-553 has a harness with an 8-pin plug on the end and the 56-554 is a 21-pin direct plug-in type. From the description given, these new decoders are fitted with wires (a harness) and are not the direct plug-in type like a 21-pin or 8-pin Direct. From Richards's description, there is an 8-pin plug on the end of the harness. The 9 JST refers to the connection between the harness and the decoder. Some decoders have the harness wires soldered to them and others have a detachable harness. The detachable harness uses a standard 9-pin connector (JST type - with one pin for each of the 9 wires on a 4 function decoder) to connect to the decoder itself. Therefore if you remove the harness from the decoder, it will have a 9-pin JST plug on one end and an 8-pin plug on the other. Does that make sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BromsMods Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 Now on our site at http://www.bromsgrovemodels.co.uk/pi1432521009.htm?categoryId=81 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Mc Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Hi Just so their is no confusion with plugs harness etc. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted January 18, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2011 Do they have RailCom, and if so, is it enabled to report back BEMF values? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BromsMods Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 Are the decoders going to be compatible with the Bachmann 36-559 8 - 21 pin adapter? See http://www.bromsgrovemodels.co.uk/pi1432521009.htm?categoryId=81 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 19, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2011 John, can you explain a pricing oddity in the website please? Small 4 function decoder with stay alive is priced at £20.50 singly and £84.00 for 5 Large 4 function decoder with stay alive is priced at £19.50 singly and £87.50 for 5 Why is the small decoder more expensive singly but cheaper in bulk than its larger counterpart? Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Johnson Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 *** Yes Spocky, it is compatible with that adapter - and with our own adapter, also available from Bromsgrove, which does not have the corners broken off the 8 pin plug as 100% of the B ones do! regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted January 19, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2011 Hi Richard Are the decoders small enough for N gauge locos? And if so any chance of alternative harnesses for an NEM651 6 pin socket? Thanks Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Hi Richard Are the decoders small enough for N gauge locos? And if so any chance of alternative harnesses for an NEM651 6 pin socket? Thanks Mike Seconded...seems a good spec, just need a tiny one with 6 pins.........please ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Johnson Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 *** Yes, the small decoder will fit some N locos but the plug adds depth which may make it harder in many. we have no firm intention of doing a 6 pin harness at this stage. We are considering a version without the decoder end plug and if this DOES go ahead its possible to do it with the 6 pin at the loco end... this is by no means certain at this point in time though. The range will continue to slowly grow through 2011 Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BromsMods Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 John, can you explain a pricing oddity in the website please? Small 4 function decoder with stay alive is priced at £20.50 singly and £84.00 for 5 Large 4 function decoder with stay alive is priced at £19.50 singly and £87.50 for 5 Why is the small decoder more expensive singly but cheaper in bulk than its larger counterpart? Andi Thanks for pointing that out Andi - will be corrected within the next hour. That's what comes of trying to do this about 11.30 pm after a 16 hour day!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ian Posted January 20, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2011 OK, I have one of the small decoders with stay-alive sitting on the desk. I haven't put it in a loco yet, but here are some observations. The decoder is TCS M2 sized - like the M2 the JST plug adds to its overall height and means that it won't fit in a Farish N gauge class 66. The stay-alive is smaller than a Lenz Power-1 - about 2/3 the height - and connects to the decoder by 2 wires instead of the Lenz's 3. The stay alive is fitted with really long wires that can be cut to length and joined to wires coming off the decoder. No tricky soldering (the Lenz makes you solder onto small pads on the decoder) and it can be put at the opposite end of the loco to the decoder if necessary. The decoder and stay-alive are sleeved so there should be no awkward shorts to a metal chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Richard, any pricing for Australia yet. (you know the bit that is WET.....in the south) If the prices from Bromsgrove match in Australian Terms you are onto a winner! (You can send me a PM if you don't want to put it "out there") Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted January 22, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2011 *** Hi all A quick bit of feedback on the decoders................... .....................All this is a wee bit premature in a way as I hadn't actually intended to add them to the web until my return from an OS trip early in Feb So far we have 3 models to hand one of them in limited numbers (full productiondelivery only exists for 2 models) with the third only available in limited qtys until later in Feb.. Full initial range of 4 models will not be available until then either... <ore models will follow later in 2011. We will be shipping to a wider retailer base ASAp, but I really want to introduce them face to face to most dealers, so look for that late Feb Please be patient, all will be revealed in due course. regards Richard DCCconcepts This sounds like an excellent product. Cant wait to get my hands on a couple! Good luck with it Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted January 22, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well, they've arrived, ....... However, there are no instructions.......................... Hi John, Can you let me know when you have the instructions sorted and I will be placing my order! Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BromsMods Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Decoder specs are now in our internet store. Decoder instructions are due for release soon...... I can't divulge more yet, but basic functions work as many of the common decoders around. Reset is CV8 with a value of 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted January 23, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2011 Decoder specs are now in our internet store. Decoder instructions are due for release soon...... I can't divulge more yet, but basic functions work as many of the common decoders around. Reset is CV8 with a value of 2. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Mc Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Hi When the instructions are released I think many a novice and pro will be extremely pleased with the "new new" style and ease of use. A totally new approach and even those who find DCC intimidating will be pleased with these instructions. For me it puts a new definition on plug and PLAY. Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted January 24, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi When the instructions are released I think many a novice and pro will be extremely pleased with the "new new" style and ease of use. A totally new approach and even those who find DCC intimidating will be pleased with these instructions. For me it puts a new definition on plug and PLAY. Martin Sounds better all the time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryHN Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hi, Just wondering if anyone has tried the chips yet and what they think about them?? Regards Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 We ask that in our staff canteen nearly every day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ian Posted January 31, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2011 I've got one but until the instructions are available there is only so much that I can try out. See my earlier post - the smaller one is TCS M2 sized, the stay-alive is smaller than the Lenz equivalent but is only capable of coping with short power interruptions (but unless you have really bad track or a penchant for demonstrating how clever DCC is, that shouldn't be a problem). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alangdance Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Just checked the Bromsgrove Models web site and most of the decoders have now sold out. We still have not had a review yet. Can anybody who has any of these let us know what they are like. Regards Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CullingworthGNR Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 They must all be busy actually running their trains - must be a good sign! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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