pete_mcfarlane Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 That looks like a 3H LNER 6 plank wagon to me - there is a photo of a similar wagon in Tatlow's LNER wagons (the 1980s single volume - I don't think the new multi-volume work has got as far as LNER standard designs). Nice mouldings but a pig to assemble square. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 26, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2010 That looks like a 3H LNER 6 plank wagon to me - there is a photo of a similar wagon in Tatlow's LNER wagons (the 1980s single volume - I don't think the new multi-volume work has got as far as LNER standard designs). Nice mouldings but a pig to assemble square. I've studied this book again, the kit has 5 planks, one door stop/spring and outside V's. None of the wagons in the LNER wagons book exactly matches this description, so it could be either an LMS wagon (I'm not sure if Doug made many LMS wagons, I should ask him) or a 'standard' RCH one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 I've studied this book again, the kit has 5 planks, one door stop/spring and outside V's. None of the wagons in the LNER wagons book exactly matches this description, so it could be either an LMS wagon (I'm not sure if Doug made many LMS wagons, I should ask him) or a 'standard' RCH one. Three Aitch Mouldings made a LMS 5 plank wagon. Paul York Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 26, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2010 Three Aitch Mouldings made a LMS 5 plank wagon. Paul York Thanks Paul That could be what it is then, Doug has some LMS 5 planks in 5' gauge and these tend to reflect his old 4mm kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 26, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2010 Here is a 3H LNER 6 plank in Tyne Improvement Commision livery for comparison with what is probably the LMS one. For some reason I didn't fit the door stops and didn't notice till now! I have a couple more kits without any information with them, they may stay in the kit box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 LMS D1666 as also produced by Cambrian (floor is supplied there but is too short..) http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/lmslnerwagons.html#lms58 The diagonal strapping on the Cambrian example is much finer than the 3H one and closer to scale. Ditto their new model of the LNER 6-plank you've done but obviously 3H were very good considering their age. Only other source of both is ABS WM kits I believe. I'd recommend painting the interior ironwork black and rusting if you aren't fitting a load as it looks odd wood coloured. Nice unpainted wood though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted May 27, 2010 Share Posted May 27, 2010 The 3H kits are remarkable considering their age... I have resurrected some of late and next to the new Cambrians they do look a shade clunky - that is no criticism mind! The age difference in technology and craft is the issue. Lets just say the 3H ones will end up looking very scabby and the Cambrians will be more dress-worthy.... Worsdell, any idea what the oddities in the box are? Someone may have some bumph stashed somewhere that might help you use them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 27, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2010 Thanks Craig, I had found the Cambrian one but my eyes were closing last night so never posted! I know my work is no where near yours, but it has made me (and no doubt others) up my game a bit with wagon building, although with these old kits I've pretty much built them as intended. The TIC wagon was built about 10 years ago and I now try to finish the interiors a little better! Iak, The ones in the box aren't to mysterious, I'm pretty sure they are BR 12/13t Vans, they are Parkside kits so should be easy to identify, but there's no pressing need for them at the moment. One thing I like about the 3H kits, especially the vans, is that the body sides are quite thick, which gives plenty of material for the solvent to get hold of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted May 27, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2010 Another 3H wagon, this time an LNER unfitted van. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted September 14, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2010 A G5 for Greyscroft Mine... The passenger service through Greyscroft Mine would no doubt be hauled by a G5. 67240 was chosen as it was shedded at Whitby in 1955. It emerged from Darlington works as No 1096 in May 1894, the first of 110 members of one of the most sucsessfull small passenger tank classes ever built. It's first shed was Neville Hill. It was never sheded outside Yorkshire, moving to Ilkley in 1924 then Starbeck, back to Ilkley then Neville Hill again then to Whitby on 19-7-1953. It moved to Malton on 20-11-1955 from where it was withdrawn in April 1956 and cut up at Darlington. The Kit, built to EM gauge, is from Alexander Models with Gibson wheels, High Level gearbox and a Mashima 14/24 motor. The basic frames put together using Comet EM frame spacers. Tank sides bunker and cab attached to the footplate. Smokebox and boiler fitted to the footplate, Quite a lot of material had to be removed from the underside of the boiler where it sits on the ledge on the cab front but only after I removed about 4mm from the firebox end to make it the right length. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted September 16, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2010 A G5 for Greyscroft Mine... Further progress on the chassis with the motor and gearbox in place to check for clearances, a little material had to be removed from the top of the frames to allow the motor to sit down low enough to clear the underside of the boiler. If I had chosen a 12mm wide motor it would sit down between the frames, but I decided on the largest (14mm) that would go in. As can be seen in the second photo it only just fits in lengthways, The motor shaft will need to be removed and the cast backhead will fit with just a bit of material removed from the lower sides. Initial checking of clearances around the splashers, these kits were designed for 00 so things are a bit tight in these areas. Final clearance checks will be done when the chassis is finished. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 I think it is probably an optical illusion, but the camera has made the last photo look as though the driving axles are not parallel to each other.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted September 16, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2010 I think it is probably an optical illusion, but the camera has made the last photo look as though the driving axles are not parallel to each other.... Are you trying to put me in hospital? Just had a measure and both sides are the same. heart rate returns to normal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted September 16, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2010 A G5 for Greyscroft Mine... Tonight I have got the gearbox/motor, wheels and rods on. All turns smoothly after only a small amount of adjustment to one of the rods. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted September 16, 2010 Share Posted September 16, 2010 Are you trying to put me in hospital? ..... No, but I hope you're covered by BUPA or one of those fellas.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 5, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2010 Haven't been able to get back into doing some work on the G5 lately but with a week off and about 18" of snow outside I've being doing some work on some wagons. The first three were part of a box of wagons (mostly Parkside kits) that were given to our club a few years ago, they were being cleared out so a few of us took what we wanted and I took the box with all the loose junk in the bottom but quite a few wheel sets in among it. One problem that I have found is that most of the brake gear was missing but a rummage though my boxes at home came up with most of what I needed. The Plate wagon was a bit of a problem as there was no brake gear at all. The solution to this was to build another plate wagon kit. This might seem strange but I had always intended to build it a a fitted version, see below, (I'd built a connisuer one many years ago when he did 4mm kits) and so there was a set of brake gear spare. One problem with the brakes on these kits is both sets of shoes and push rods are identical so the shoes were cut off one and reversed. The axleguard tie bars need replacing with a brass strip, the plastic ones bent as the kit dried out! New builds. For the fitted version new etched 'Vs' were added from an unidentified etch, plastic shoes and vac cylinder from the spares box, push rods from brass strip and etched levers. Correct cast buffers and vac pipes were added to the headstocks. Another of the new builds was this LMS CCT. I've painted it bauxite instead of red as the instructions say as recommended by Jenkinson & Essery in LMS std coaching stock (vol 1) All the rest were wagons that needed completing. They all need weathering and couplings adding. Still to be finished are two LNER cattle wagons, a Southern CCT and an LNER one. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Looking good , is their any reason for hand lettering ? I have added a Alexander chassis to my Geo Norton G5 and I finally have a G5 that works !!! It needed some minor cutting to fit otherwise a dead easy build in OO. I used to have a Nu cast version as well that never worked either !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 5, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2010 Looking good , is their any reason for hand lettering ? Cheaper than transfers! Well mainly I hate putting them on. Hopefully they will be mostly covered up with the weathering, I am getting better at it now with practice, still not very good at 9s and 3s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Cheaper than transfers! Well mainly I hate putting them on. Hopefully they will be mostly covered up with the weathering, I am getting better at it now with practice, still not very good at 9s and 3s. Do you use a pen or a brush Paul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 5, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2010 Do you use a pen or a brush Paul? Mapping pen and Windsor & Newton white calligraphy ink. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike G Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Mapping pen - is that the same as a draughtsmen/lining pen? or is it another animal altogether? regards Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted December 5, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2010 This is something like the Mapping Pen I use. EDIT:- it is the same as the one I use... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted January 20, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20, 2011 Back to the G5. It's all the fiddly detail bits now. I've started with the brakes, the pull rods went on easily as did the cranks. There is nothing in the kit to represent the under footplate handbrake mechanism, while I was wondering how I could cut a long slot in some thin brass I spotted these on my workbench... I soldered a small piece of brass over the open end of the slot and another strip to the solid part of the coupling (after cutting the hook off) to build up the thickness at the top. This was soldered to the brake mechanism with a piece of .45mm wire. Rear sandboxes have also been added, these are attached to the frames instead of the footplate so the 'pipes' can be added easier and shouldn't get damaged when removing the body. Front and rear details are also in the process of being fitted, lamp brackets from the waste nickel silver from the chassis etch. The blower control valve on the left hand side of the smokebox is an out of scale handrail knob. Not sure about the coal cage, I might eventually remove this and make one up from brass strip. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thats looking rather nice Paul, as it looks like I am no longer grounded, perhaps we can compare notes on our respective projects on Wednesday night? Any thoughts on which particular G5 it is going to be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted January 21, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2011 See post No. 35 - 67240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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