Bachmann GWR 3000 (ROD)

[BenL]

1 hour ago, gwrrob said:

 

To resurrect this old thread to ask @BenL if you ever do one of these in black and wondered if they had GWR on their tenders. There's a very nice photo of 3005 on the west of England mainline in Somerset dated October '47.

I did Robin or rather I very nicely asked a certain @toboldlygo to work his magic on one for me based on a photo - below is the result photographed by the man himself.

 

There's a great 3-part GWR Journal article by John Copsey on the GWR RODs, it's in Vols 90-92, I think it's part 2 or 3 that covers our period (immediate post-war GWR) - there's some great shots in there including the one of 3046 that James worked from. I think they were earmarked for scrapping but then the war broke out and they were kept going, so were in a generally poor state - this makes it hard to see any livery details but I'm pretty confident from looking closely at the photos that they didn't get treated to GWR on the tender. 

 

If you are thinking of getting a Bachmann model to work from, the best bet is probably to get the BR black version rather than the GWR green version - the former has a later smokebox door which most seem to have acquired by the end of WW2. It means you need to scrape off the BR smokebox number but it's not too tricky. 

 

 

 

 

[melmerby]

Trying to see what insignia the locos were carrying in later life is nigh on impossible.

Even before the war they seem to be generally in filthy condition

3037 in 1939:

 

3037 even in 1933:

 

3026 in 1937:

[gwrrob]

The late '40s photo I saw of 3005 you could read the bufferbeam numerals but not what was on the tender.

[tomparryharry]

1 hour ago, melmerby said:

Trying to see what insignia the locos were carrying in later life is nigh on impossible.

Even before the war they seem to be generally in filthy condition

3037 in 1939:

 

3037 even in 1933:

 

3026 in 1937:

 

The photo of 3037 (1939) shows the locomotive as stopped, with a little end pin missing from the crosshead. 

[melmerby]

1 hour ago, tomparryharry said:

 

The photo of 3037 (1939) shows the locomotive as stopped, with a little end pin missing from the crosshead. 

The rod's (sic) missing as well.

It's outside Tyseley works, maybe a bearing needing re-metalling?

[tomparryharry]

24 minutes ago, melmerby said:

The rod's (sic) missing as well.

It's outside Tyseley works, maybe a bearing needing re-metalling?

 

It's entirely possible. Depending on how it goes together, it's sometimes required to press out the bearing, and press in a new one. 

[The Stationmaster]

14 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

 

The photo of 3037 (1939) shows the locomotive as stopped, with a little end pin missing from the crosshead. 

And no conn rod either.

[tomparryharry]

1 hour ago, The Stationmaster said:

And no conn rod either.

 

Yes Mike, quite right. The loco would be stopped on whichever revolution would allow the little end pin to move back, between the spokes, and the pin withdrawn from behind the wheel. The chances are that the entire rod would be taken to the workshops are quite high, depending on whether the little end brass is either a solid bush type, or a marine  'split' type.

[Steamport Southport]

Weren't they all expected to be withdrawn by 1940?

 

Possibly intended to be towed away for scrapping. Then reinstated.

 

 

 

 

Jason

[The Stationmaster]

1 hour ago, tomparryharry said:

 

Yes Mike, quite right. The loco would be stopped on whichever revolution would allow the little end pin to move back, between the spokes, and the pin withdrawn from behind the wheel. The chances are that the entire rod would be taken to the workshops are quite high, depending on whether the little end brass is either a solid bush type, or a marine  'split' type.

Might also have been the big end Ian - conn rod off on an engine at a Western factory or shed was not necessarily an unusual sight and big ends seem to be more inclined to run hot than any other b earings on that part of the engine.  But which ever the road was presumably on the bench indoors being dealt with without blocking a road in the factory.

[tomparryharry]

6 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Might also have been the big end Ian - conn rod off on an engine at a Western factory or shed was not necessarily an unusual sight and big ends seem to be more inclined to run hot than any other b earings on that part of the engine.  But which ever the road was presumably on the bench indoors being dealt with without blocking a road in the factory.

 

The photo that Keith has shown has the rod as a marine-type big end, so yes, it's entirely possible.  Every fitter and his dog would know how to 'close up' a split bearing, and being an ROD locomotive, it's designed to be worked on in less than ideal conditions. Despite what people say, the Western did very well out of the £100 locomotives.....

[melmerby]

8 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Might also have been the big end Ian - conn rod off on an engine at a Western factory or shed was not necessarily an unusual sight and big ends seem to be more inclined to run hot than any other b earings on that part of the engine.  But which ever the road was presumably on the bench indoors being dealt with without blocking a road in the factory.

It looks like it is on the track that went down the side of the workshop, almost to the Warwick Road.

This was used in later years (BR '60s) for withdrawn locos

[melmerby]

3 minutes ago, tomparryharry said:

 

 Despite what people say, the Western did very well out of the £100 locomotives.....

The last one didn't go until October 58, not bad for a loco with almost 40 years service on the Western and originally purchased cheaply.

BR inherited 47 of the "good" batch 3001-49 and took 10 years to eliminate them