RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Crepello said: Agreed great weathering but I always thought Westerns had black buffer shanks (if that's the right term) rather than silver as the Oleo type. (Only trying to help!) The silver bit in the photos above is the part that retracts when the buffers are compressed. It's representing shiny metal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 May I ask anybody that has a model from the latest batch a question please? I’m keen on the “chromatic” blue, but my existing Dapol Western, Cavalier, makes a racket with a nosy motor. Are they quieter, with this batch? My recent Dapol class 73 is silent! Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2019 Cant hear motor in ours - drowned by the roar of a pair of MD655s.....hee hee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2019 14 hours ago, miles73128 said: May I ask anybody that has a model from the latest batch a question please? I’m keen on the “chromatic” blue, but my existing Dapol Western, Cavalier, makes a racket with a nosy motor. Are they quieter, with this batch? My recent Dapol class 73 is silent! Regards My D1002 is no louder or quieter than my 2 earlier versions. Noisier than a Bachmann or Heljan model but not obtrusively so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 29, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2019 We could not resist another Wizzo.... my Lords, here (s)he is... Booked for 1Z20 special to Bulmers Hereford and 8V85 Tees Yard to Severn Tunnel Junction - she would have dropped on to that at Washwood Heath. Having explored other sound options we have gone back to plan 1 - Howes sound and base reflex speaker 17 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Somehow the 52's don't look quite 'right' in Banger Blue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2019 Funny is t it? I think BSYP rather suits ... can’t wait to get to see D1015 in this livery as currently at Severn Valley. MFYE really floats my boat ..... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Hi, I bought a 4mm version from the latest batch and want to fit the headcodes and nameplates but have a couple of questions. The instructions say that the headcodes are 'self-adhesive' but I'm blowed if I can peel off the headcodes from the backing paper. Are they really self-adhesive? Looking at the pictures on the previous page of this thread, it appears the headcodes are fitted behind the clear plastic. For the plates, the loco has dotted lines on each side which presumably act as fitting guides but do you line up the dotted lines with the top, middle or bottom of the plates. The instructions are silent on this point. Thanks in advance Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted March 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, dagrizz said: The instructions say that the headcodes are 'self-adhesive' but I'm blowed if I can peel off the headcodes from the backing paper They're definitely not self-adhesive. The dotted lines mark the centre line of the plates. I covered some of the detail fitting whilst reviewing Locomotion's exclusive edition - https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/techniques/detailing-the-dapol-western/ - there may be some guidance points in there. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted March 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, AY Mod said: They're definitely not self-adhesive. The dotted lines mark the centre line of the plates. I covered some of the detail fitting whilst reviewing Locomotion's exclusive edition - https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/techniques/detailing-the-Dapol-western/ - there may be some guidance points in there. The original headcodes as supplied with the 22s were self-adhesive and intended to be stuck outside the glazing. The shiny surface was supposed to look like a glass cover-plate but (to my eyes) didn't do anything of the sort. I wonder if the early 52s had the same or whether Dapol has simply reprinted the instructions without updating them. All mine have the headcodes internally behind the glazing which is a tricky fitting process but looks much better. See also Andy's link posted above. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Thanks for the advice. I first tried to fit the headcodes inside but gave up, it's quite a faff. So I stuck them on the outside with PVA. They don't look too bad from normal viewing distance on a layout. But don't look so good on close scrutiny. I'm going to leave them be for now; if they bug me I can always try again. The numberplates and nameplates were fitted OK except that this loco is Western Duke - a short name - so short that the plate does not cover the line of dots used as a location guide. You can see one dot to the left of the plate and two dots on the right. If you didn't know about it, you probably wouldn't spot it from normal viewing distance, but once you know it's there ……………. I find all this very frustrating because otherwise it's a super looking loco and it runs a treat. With all the agonizing that goes on nowadays about this detail and that detail, I can't help feeling some of the basics are being overlooked. When I look at a loco, I first look at the 'face' and the headcodes are a very prominent feature. Why are tatty little bits of paper considered to be a match for the quality of the rest of the model? Graham 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 Feel the same about the face... it is worth the faff to get the headcodes inside the glazing... Also have same issue with D1047’s nameplates but you can’t see dots once weathered.... 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 19:07, dagrizz said: Thanks for the advice. I first tried to fit the headcodes inside but gave up, it's quite a faff. So I stuck them on the outside with PVA. They don't look too bad from normal viewing distance on a layout. But don't look so good on close scrutiny. I'm going to leave them be for now; if they bug me I can always try again. The numberplates and nameplates were fitted OK except that this loco is Western Duke - a short name - so short that the plate does not cover the line of dots used as a location guide. You can see one dot to the left of the plate and two dots on the right. If you didn't know about it, you probably wouldn't spot it from normal viewing distance, but once you know it's there ……………. I find all this very frustrating because otherwise it's a super looking loco and it runs a treat. With all the agonizing that goes on nowadays about this detail and that detail, I can't help feeling some of the basics are being overlooked. When I look at a loco, I first look at the 'face' and the headcodes are a very prominent feature. Why are tatty little bits of paper considered to be a match for the quality of the rest of the model? Graham Wow! Really? (The nameplate dots) I was just about to get one of these. But no more. Thanks very much for this. Crazy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, miles73128 said: Wow! Really? (The nameplate dots) I was just about to get one of these. But no more. Thanks very much for this. Crazy. You could always go for a maroon version from Cheltenham Models, they fit the number and name plates, leaving only the head codes to be fitted (yes, they are a pain). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Francis deWeck said: You could always go for a maroon version from Cheltenham Models, they fit the number and name plates, leaving only the head codes to be fitted (yes, they are a pain). Yes, thanks. But it was the Blue Syp I wanted. Shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 If you buy one from Cheltenham models and you want the headcodes fitted internally you can always ask them - very nicely - if it can be done.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 Not wishing to open up old subjects. ISTR that there's an issue with the aperture sizes, did it get mentioned eons ago on this thread? My Westerns are in the roundtuit pile and I haven't checked on this yet. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 They are a bit small Mike - but they will take the smaller digits from Precision labels 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 Thanks Phil, I'm glad the grey matter is still bearing up! Personally I think the undersized openings spoil the face of the model,it will be on my hit list. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kier Hardy Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Not wishing to open up old subjects. ISTR that there's an issue with the aperture sizes, did it get mentioned eons ago on this thread? My Westerns are in the roundtuit pile and I haven't checked on this yet. Mike. I don't think there's any issue with the aperture size on the Dapol Western.... there definitely is on other models such as the Class 22 and Heljan's Baby Deltic. I've used the correct 4mm size digits by Precision Labels without any issues (sorry Phil) Here's 1033 Western Trooper hauling MDVs at Shenston Road. 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) No worries Kier .... Guessing those are external? Might work internally if original glazing ditched ..... PS You practicing for the "Buses on a Bridge" Grand Prix? Edited April 5, 2020 by Phil Bullock 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 Reckon thats 14" high for the glazing Mike - 5mm to scale? And Dapol glazing is 5mm externally! Issue is if fitting headcodes internally part of that 5mm is taken up by the walls of the perspex box arrangement Dapol have used.... Funny how something which measures accurately to scale might not always look exactly right on a model..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 Thanks for the information Phil, for obvious reasons I can't inspect any of my fleet. Presumably then the answer is to junk Dapols box and fashion a piece of flush glazing? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted April 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) Might be handy if that were the case Mike but unfortunately if you want to retain the illumination that may not be an option as the LEDs are set below the clear boxes and use their internal surfaces to reflect through the external apertures... the whole shebang is sealed up with bots of dense black foam. It works but it aint that elegant! D1047 is off on a trip to Bulmers tonight - camera makes things brighter than really are! Edited April 5, 2020 by Phil Bullock Added photo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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