APOLLO Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I still run two old Lima westerns. Nice looking locos. Who needs sound chips with Lima locos !!!! Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 How does the Heljan compare with the Lima model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 How does the Heljan compare with the Lima model? Apples and oranges, although the best 4mm D1000's I have seen were based on the Lima bodyshell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted January 2, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2012 A subject which many of us may have opinions on I'm sure! For me I find the Lima Western body to be moderately well represented overall as is the Heljan but Lima has the cab end rendered better. In terms of performance however there is surely no contest in that Heljan is far and away superior. With a heavyweight chassis and all-wheel pickup (though the centre wheelsets do not drive) these are the canine's genitals in terms of haulage and reliability. The Lima ones better represent the main-line days of the class in that they stutter, run erratically and sometimes fail yet sometimes turn in star performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1030western musketeer Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Many have faulted the Heljan western but with a little work can be made into a good model.Performance is second to none unless you have the older type wheelsets.As i run dc the only down side is the lights are very dim and needed changing which aint easy. I have over the years had the lima version but is very dated. richard. Edited January 2, 2012 by D1030western musketeer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1030western musketeer Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 My trio. richard. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 10, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2012 Juts received an email from Hattons advising that the maroon version ref. 5218 D1040 Western Queen is due in stock on or after tomorrow, Saturday 11 February. Presumably the others will arrive at the same time. I need a couple of new ones, but I think I'll wait until Dapol's new version is out and compare them first - DapolDave is suggesting theirs could be out as early as the end of May this year. Hopefully the Heljan ones won't sell out before then - perhaps not if everyone else waits too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted February 10, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2012 That's two of us. I am holding off from this batch of Heljan Westerns as I have two Dapol ones on order. Must give the new boys on the block a fair go and it seems we may only have to wait a few more months though May might be a little optimistic even if it is Dave suggesting it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1963 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I have 2 Heljan westerns and 3 Lima which I am in the slow process of re-motoring and detailing. The Dapol cad looks superb and I'm now torn between continuing with the Lima project, waiting for the Dapol or going for some more Heljan models. What a great position to be in, so much choice so long after these majestic machines were taken away from us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Ive stopped rebuilding my Lima western too, its in advanced stages, but I want to see if the Dapol product is any good, the CAD images I must say look promising! The Heljan Western for me is a good model, good performance, slighlty let down by things missing, and the awkward brake rigging to install NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1030western musketeer Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 If dapols western turns out like the class 22 then its going to be a big hit. I have 3 heljans and with a little work can be made into better things.I ditched the brake rigging supplied and did my own so as not to restrict them on sharpe curves.I also filed down the roof shape over the cab and gave them fans and see through walkways and fan grilles.I believe the new batch are being released this month but with an uncertain future on the job front the Dapol version maybe a little late for me unless i sell other stock to finance one or 2 as cad cams yes do look very good and a lot of time and effort has been well mentioned to what could be the model of the year.Although the Heljan western is a great performer they got her wrong and hav,nt listened to the responce and cant see them making any more once dapols version comes out. richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
campaigner Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 You may be right about the future of Heljan's Western. The CAD drawing of Dapol's Western does look truly stunning and if the class 22 is anything to go by, the Western will be fantastic. However it might all come down to price at the end of the day. The Heljan one isn't cheap, but the Dapol one I fear is going to be quite a bit more expensive, more so than the 22. Having amassed a reasonable sized fleet of Heljan 52's, the big question for me is, do I sell some of them to make way for the Dapol version, or wait until I've seen one, by which time my Heljan fleet could be seriously devalued. I would like to support Dapol in their venture with the 52 and will buy one anyway, but in these times of financial restraint I can't see me buying many without selling some of the Heljan ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 That may well be true if the Dapol one is good enough the Sales of the Heljan one will drop. Its a shame Heljan never listened to Customer Feedback like Dapol hasin that respect, I doubt this "new" batch will be unchanged from previous releases NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Re- the posts above, particularly the last three. Think about Heljan's 47, batches of which have continued to be released despite a) its well known inaccuracies and b ) that there have been two subsequent models that are more accurate. Heljan have long recouped their investment on the Western, they can turn out further batches as long as the moulds will stand it and at whatever price they think marketable. Whichever way it goes, I dont foresee too many furrowed brows in Denmark. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 but the Dapol one I fear is going to be quite a bit more expensive, more so than the 22. Hi Campaigner, nope same RRP! ;-) Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
campaigner Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 but the Dapol one I fear is going to be quite a bit more expensive, more so than the 22. Hi Campaigner, nope same RRP! ;-) Cheers Dave That's good news, I think. could cost me a fortune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Anybody heard when these new releases are out? I've took a risk and ordered D1000 in gloss. I don't know if I'll like it or not, but theres always ebay if i don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1030western musketeer Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Lastest info i sourced today is now for a april/may release date as missed the last cargo ship delivery due to overload of class 23s and railbuses. May just now wait for a Dapol version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo 079 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Has anyone noticed that the pre-production photo on the Heljan website seems to show the two blue locos having black (or dark grey) cab rooves but blue paint over the central section. Now I won't pretend to be an expert, but I do have a few colour photos of blue Thousands knocking around the place; and plenty show the whole roof stained in an overall layer of "clag"; but none I have seen show a loco with this particular livery "variant". A figment of a Danish imagination, or does someone know better? Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Has anyone noticed that the pre-production photo on the Heljan website seems to show the two blue locos having black (or dark grey) cab rooves but blue paint over the central section. Now I won't pretend to be an expert, but I do have a few colour photos of blue Thousands knocking around the place; and plenty show the whole roof stained in an overall layer of "clag"; but none I have seen show a loco with this particular livery "variant". A figment of a Danish imagination, or does someone know better? Kevin Noticed that too, my Heljan western lord (BHYP) has an all blue roof. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo 079 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Has anyone noticed that the pre-production photo on the Heljan website seems to show the two blue locos having black (or dark grey) cab rooves but blue paint over the central section. Update, I've been to Howes today. They have "display samples" of the next batch (for release in April/May as mentioned above), and the blue models both now have blue cab rooves! However, D1030 with the small yellow panel looked exactly the same shade as D1073. Which raises the old old question once again (also mentioned on the Kernow limited edition website, I see), was it a differnet shade or not? My view is that Heljan's D1030 doesn't look like the colour pics of the prototype which I have seen. Kevin Edited March 10, 2012 by apollo 079 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I wonder if Heljan or Dapol are going to do this colour scheme. http://www.flickr.co.../faves-mac1961/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class29returns Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I wonder if Heljan or Dapol are going to do this colour scheme. http://www.flickr.co.../faves-mac1961/ Very Psychedelic ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1030western musketeer Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 It seems the latest batch have arrived at some outlets but not all. richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1030western musketeer Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 latest batch seemed to have arrived at certain outlets. richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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