RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted June 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2013 ..................... they look swelled as if they have been loaded with large stone.................................... More likely unloaded by a big yellow toy judging by the shape of some of the gouges that were obviously done from the inside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Mineral wagons loaded with scrap, 1min 25 and a few other glimpses later on.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 What a marvellous old film. I love the occ health and safety practices . I assume it was made c1960 given the glimpse of the Brush 2 and the fact that the cars in the scrapyard look suspiciously like victims of the holocaust that followed the introduction of the MoT test round about then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted June 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2013 Some great stuff there, it's about the cut-off point for what I am building so very interesting. (note to me - must get an 'oss). It was little wonder that the 16T wagons got how they did with those bales being dropped in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) only Paul can say, there was nothing to say preserved ones could not be posted but we seem to have stayed away from them, useful for measuring and seeing where bits go etc. but they are not much help for copying weathering, they look swelled as if they have been loaded with large stone, they are vacuum fitted ones painted incorrectly in grey as they should be brown and seem to be painted a much lighter shade than any shots we've seen in all the period photos. Michael. Your explanation is perfect. I simply do not understand why these couldn't have been repainted and written as vacuum brake, the clasp brake either pre or post 1964 boxed style and the push brake examples post 1964, they would all have been suitable for both late steam and diesel operation. As it is they are simply wrong in all of the ways you explain. Paul Edited June 24, 2013 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2013 Michael. Your explanation is perfect. I simply do not understand why these couldn't have been repainted and written as vacuum brake, the clasp brake either pre or post 1964 boxed style and the push brake examples post 1964, they would all have been suitable for both late steam and diesel operation. As it is they are simply wrong in all of the ways you explain. Paul These wagons exist purely as a "windcutter" rake, homogenous to the GC main line, whilst to get up a perfect as built rake of 16 tonners would have been not worth the cost, I personally reckon these are good enough as they were bought at the end of their days and in late BR condition. They're better than nowt. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Mineral wagons loaded with scrap, 1min 25 and a few other glimpses later on.. and for those of you with televisions (I gave mine up years ago) tonights episode from "Look at Life" on BBC four is titled, "Road, Rail and Runways". Makes me feel old as I can remember some of these been shown at the local cinema when I was a kid. Bet I feel older still after watching it on I Player... Edit :Now on I Player @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b033664h/Britain_on_Film_Series_2_Road_Rail_and_Runways/ 16 tonners at 07:38. P Edited June 24, 2013 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon hudson Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 and for those of you with televisions (I gave mine up years ago) tonights episode from "Look at Life" on BBC four is titled, "Road, Rail and Runways". Makes me feel old as I can remember some of these been shown at the local cinema when I was a kid. Bet I feel older still after watching it on I Player... P Stop whingeing you old git you need a night doon the bruny(Brunswick) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Stop whingeing you old git you need a night doon the bruny(Brunswick) I wish. Can't even drink anymore... I can count on both hands (Using each hand only once) the amount of booze Ive had over the last 12 years. All that I have had, I've been in the company of the Rickster. He leads me astray. (At Model Railway shows.) P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2013 I think this one is a newbie??? Nice underframe detailing for a vac fitted re-body... http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/var/albums/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96714/scan0309.jpg?m=1361986392 Porcy They've got some kick have them old H&M point motors... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durham light infantry Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I wish. Can't even drink anymore... I can count on both hands (Using each hand only once) the amount of booze Ive had over the last 12 years. All that I have had, I've been in the company of the Rickster. He leads me astray. (At Model Railway shows.) P I seem to remember you had at least one when Croft Depot was at "The Grand". Possibly twice upon it's second appearance. You were a happy bunny those weekends. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Mineral wagons loaded with scrap, 1min 25 and a few other glimpses later on.. ...2.56...most dangerous thing I've seen in years... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I seem to remember you had at least one when Croft Depot was at "The Grand". Ah ha… but what you can’t remember was me being so far out of the drinking habit I forgot to sup most of the stuff and it was still there on the table next to the “fishtank” the following morning. You were a happy bunny those weekends. Aren't I always? ... P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) ...2.56...most dangerous thing I've seen in years... Didn't look as bad as you riding one of your Triumphs or BSA's or your old mans driving come to think of it. Good job the cameraman wasn't standing a few of yards to the left though. Still bet he had to change his undercrackers. If they had to write a Risk assessment back then I wonder how it would have read? "Risk of rusty one ton metal block flying towards you (Speed about 80 mph) at approximately g**ley height. Precautions: Wear Cricket Box or similar." P Edited for spelling Edited June 25, 2013 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I wish. Can't even drink anymore... I can count on both hands (Using each hand only once) the amount of booze Ive had over the last 12 years. All that I have had, I've been in the company of the Rickster. He leads me astray. (At Model Railway shows.) P Oh that Ricky is a bad bad man, I now stay well out of his way. But that Duncan is a nice quiet boy, keep in with him. Hi Porcy, Dave Franks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 25, 2013 Author Share Posted June 25, 2013 ...2.56...most dangerous thing I've seen in years... I bet no one ever got hurt by it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Oh that Ricky is a bad bad man, I now stay well out of his way. But that Duncan is a nice quiet boy, keep in with him. Hi Porcy, Dave Franks ...thanks for that tongue in cheek compliment Mr Franks...I've almost made it to 50 and yet I'm still 'the boy'... ...anyway back to 16 tonners... http://www.embsayboltonabbeyrailway.org.uk/historic/fws059.jpg ...more naff number painting from the 1960s. Regards Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 ...anyway back to 16 tonners... http://www.embsayboltonabbeyrailway.org.uk/historic/fws059.jpg ...more naff number painting from the 1960s. Aw come on... we've had that on before... Do keep up, old boy... P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Aw come on... we've had that on before... Do keep up, old boy... P http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Mirfield%20Low%20Moor/Cleckheaton%20Central%20goods%20yard%20now%20the%20site%20of%20a%20Tesco%20supermarket_%20note%20the%20Seddon%20coal%20lorry%20of%20WH%20Sharp..jpg ...is this any better Porcy?? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Mirfield%20Low%20Moor/Cleckheaton%20Central%20goods%20yard%20now%20the%20site%20of%20a%20Tesco%20supermarket_%20note%20the%20Seddon%20coal%20lorry%20of%20WH%20Sharp..jpg ...is this any better Porcy?? Ooooh! A Healey Mills DBT in Cleggy. New one on me. Plenty of 16t tonners here. http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Calder%20Valley/English%20electric%20type%204%20passes%20under%20Sands%20Lane%20road%20bridge%20Mirfield%20with%20empty%20coal%20wagons.jpg This ones got me scratching my head a bit. The number looks like it could be B91575? but a Linwood built mineral with open W irons, Morton brake and no traders door. Seems unlikley? http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Mirfield%20Low%20Moor/A%20double%20headed%20freight%20train%20passes%20the%20bottom%20of%20Vine%20Street%20Cleckheaton%20heading%20towards%20Low%20Moor.jpg P Edited June 25, 2013 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 V2 ECML on Minerals http://www.time-capsules.co.uk/picture/number3376.asp P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Ooooh! A Healey Mills DBT in Cleggy. New one on me. Plenty of 16t tonners here. http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Calder%20Valley/English%20electric%20type%204%20passes%20under%20Sands%20Lane%20road%20bridge%20Mirfield%20with%20empty%20coal%20wagons.jpg This ones got me scratching my head a bit. The number looks like it could be B91575? but a Linwood built mineral with open W irons, Morton brake and no traders door. Seems unlikley? http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Mirfield%20Low%20Moor/A%20double%20headed%20freight%20train%20passes%20the%20bottom%20of%20Vine%20Street%20Cleckheaton%20heading%20towards%20Low%20Moor.jpg P Isn't it just a four figure number, pB9515 or 9575 ? Nice spot. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 anyone know of shops doing offers on Bachmann ones? Hattons usually do a Megapack of wagons but dont with these, must be very popular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(W) Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 ... This ones got me scratching my head a bit. The number looks like it could be B91575? but a Linwood built mineral with open W irons, Morton brake and no traders door. Seems unlikley? http://www.lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/images/donations/Bernard%20Coomber/Mirfield%20Low%20Moor/A%20double%20headed%20freight%20train%20passes%20the%20bottom%20of%20Vine%20Street%20Cleckheaton%20heading%20towards%20Low%20Moor.jpg Hello, P, everyone. And spoked wheels? Excuse my 16T ignorance, but were any steel-bodied, BR-commissioned wagons specified with spoked wheels? Or would works simply use up stocks of such wheelsets, with the requisite journal size, left over from cancelled wooden-bodied orders? But then would the journal diameter of 10/12T wooden bodied wagons be the same as that for 16T steel-bodied versions? Or perhaps they were in-service replacements for original disc wheelsets? So many questions, so little knowledge - sorry. Cheers, BR(W). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 28, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) anyone know of shops doing offers on Bachmann ones? Hattons usually do a Megapack of wagons but dont with these, must be very popular Same thing, different colour, which is a good basecoat for "salty rust" style of weathering. http://www.ehattons.com/32873/Bachmann_Branchline_37_226F_Pack_of_4_16_ton_steel_mineral_wagon_with_top_flap_doors_in_BR_bauxite/StockDetail.aspx You also get a set of vac brake gubbins chucked in. Mike. Edit. Would help if I put the link in . Edited June 28, 2013 by Enterprisingwestern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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