Trevor H Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hi, Does anybody know of any information about catenary system on the Woodhead route, I'm looking for drawings/dimensions for the various types if available. TIA Trevor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex Duckworth Posted June 5, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2011 Hello Trevor, there is a dimensioned drawing of a typical arch in the Foxline Woodhead series no. 3, plus lots of photos. Alex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 6, 2011 Thanks Alex, I have seen that one and it does help, what I'm really looking for is the large portal ones with the A frame like uprights. Otherwise I should be able hopefully, to guesstimate dimensions from photos. Some handy shots by Chris Higgs of the MSW overhead, if anyone hasn't seen them before. http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrishiggs/sets/72157603339766313/ Trevor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Thanks Alex, I have seen that one and it does help, what I'm really looking for is the large portal ones with the A frame like uprights. Otherwise I should be able hopefully, to guesstimate dimensions from photos. Some handy shots by Chris Higgs of the MSW overhead, if anyone hasn't seen them before. http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrishiggs/sets/72157603339766313/ Trevor. There seems to be 'Non Woodhead' catenery & masts in the shots, looks Great Eastern stuff. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexexpress Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 The original GE OHLE up to Shenfield was built to the same 1500v LNER standard as Woodhead, later converted to 6.25/25kV Yes there may be some local variations but much of it is the same. There are some great photos kicking about of EM1's at Shenfield! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 There seems to be 'Non Woodhead' catenery & masts in the shots, looks Great Eastern stuff. Charlie I think my caption on the collection makes that clear: "Photos of MSW overhead electriciation at Broadbottom, and the similar equipement on the GE section at Stratford" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Trevor, did you ever get the dimensions. I am looking for minimum over bridge clearances in station areas. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan76 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Not sure about the minimum clearance, but the contact wire could go down to 13' 9" about rail level. It might be possible to work something out from that. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Thanks Alan, just what I needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) Waiting on the platform of Limehouse Station today on the route out of Fenchurch Street, was looking and measuring the simple two uprights and a horizontal "Woodhead style" portals. The H sections of the portal are a nominal 6 inches by 6 inches, in fact they were are slightly oversize, 6 by 6 inches, 6 and one quarter inches and 6 and 3 eighths of an inch. I suppose this "extra" is 1950s steel rolling mill tolerances, "better oversize than under" Edited March 1, 2013 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Travelling between Shenfield and Gidea Park, observed a considerable number of new portals have been erected, the new portals are extremely bulky and clumsy and over-engineered in contrast to the 1950s minimalist "Woodhead" metalwork. It is not obvious why there is a need for replacement, the old portals are still standing true and seem to in good corrosion-free condition. Sinking of the new piling foundations for the new portals caused track heave in at least one location. How much longer before we will lose the last link to Woodhead in the form of the overhead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2016 How much longer before we will lose the last link to Woodhead in the form of the overhead? Woodhead 1500 DC insulators still in situ last time I travelled across this bit of track https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4718048,-2.1911834,3a,39.4y,158.26h,114.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sILWvX5ZjcUOHu8C7XmTkvg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 How much longer before we will lose the last link to Woodhead in the form of the overhead? There's still quite a bit in the Ashburys and Ardwick area, granted with25kv insulators on. I presume the same stuff is in place right up to Hadfield, can't say for sure as I don't go that way, replacement only being done when needed? I often think some of the (slightly) newer stuff around Liverpool and Manchester looks in worse condition, then again it's much lighter section. One mast near Hunts Cross did move a few weeks back and caused chaos for several hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The Airfix signal gantry is a pretty good start for one of the larger portals. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2016 I have more drawings of converted 1500v DC gear which can be redrawn or send me a decent photo or two of the mast you want to model. I will see what I can do. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Huge thread dredge..... I'm intending doing a section of Woodhead 1500 overhead, the H section portals and the compound catenary wires don't phase me too much (he says!) There seem to be a million and one different types of gantrys and portals to choose from on the Woodhead route, is there or more appropriately was there any commanality with the 25kv portals used later, I'm not saying they have to be 100% correct but if the N Brass portals could be modified to look something along the lines of this type here it might save me a bit of work? http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/sheffield_victoria/sheffield(c1970s)victoria25.jpg Any help or info gratefully received! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stentor Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Huge thread dredge..... I'm intending doing a section of Woodhead 1500 overhead, the H section portals and the compound catenary wires don't phase me too much (he says!) There seem to be a million and one different types of gantrys and portals to choose from on the Woodhead route, is there or more appropriately was there any commanality with the 25kv portals used later, I was talking to Alan Whitehouse, the guy who built the Mini MSW layout, at Railwells and he told me that the contractor for the electrification, Bruce Peebles Ltd of Edinburgh I believe, used the eastern side of the tunnel as a sort of showroom for what kinds of catenary they could provide. Totally logical given the enthusiasm for electrification and the line itself at the time. This video on YouTube shows the run from Penistone heading west and illustrates the variety of mast designs quite well. https://youtu.be/uHP6YDPTDuU //Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 There are in excess of 500 different portal styles on the MSW, there are plenty to go at if only we had ironwork dimensions and basic portal dimensions. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 There are in excess of 500 different portal styles on the MSW, there are plenty to go at if only we had ironwork dimensions and basic portal dimensions. Mike. Probably mentioned this before but when we were researching Deepcar I took a photo of each mast in the area we were modelling, with my then about 7 year old son standing underneath (one line had been lifted by then and it was a Sunday), problem was I forgot to measure how tall he was at the time! The steelwork, if I recall correctly, was fairly uniform sizes depending on the size of the mast, a good idea could be gained by measuring the surviving ones on the Manchester-Hadfield section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2018 There are in excess of 500 different portal styles on the MSW, there are plenty to go at if only we had ironwork dimensions and basic portal dimensions. Mike. Hi There is a drawing of one of the portal masts in Woodhead Part 3 : The Electric Railway but I can't remember whether it gives any useful dimensions. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaday Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 I've built similar masts for my Romford layout; see my blog: Regards, Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 03/05/2019 at 21:33, Graham1960 said: Here it is: I live not far from Newton for Hyde station. If you like, I'll attempt to get some photos of the portals through there. Bearing in mind that one of the feeder points was in the vicinity. I think the substation on Danby Road in Newton, and the 132kV supply to it, were installed specifically for the railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2019 8 hours ago, 62613 said: I live not far from Newton for Hyde station. If you like, I'll attempt to get some photos of the portals through there. Bearing in mind that one of the feeder points was in the vicinity. I think the substation on Danby Road in Newton, and the 132kV supply to it, were installed specifically for the railway. If you can include a tape measure in the photo's please that would be even gooderer! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: If you can include a tape measure in the photo's please that would be even gooderer! Mike. Surely you mean, more betterer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ray M said: Surely you mean, more betterer. Apolgies, my Inglish ain't wot it used ter be. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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