Popular Post Brian Harrap Posted January 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2020 OK it looks a bit like a war zone but I have decided that QUAI:87 needs a major refurbishment. It has been languishing in the garage for the last two or three years while I have been fiddling about with my British P4 layout Sentinel Street. Said P4 layout didn't fulfill any expectations so it has been moved on - leaving me wondering what to do. Starting another layout doesn't look like an option just now as diminishing eyesight and creeping arthritis in the fingers and thumbs makes that idea a non starter. You should see the layouts I would have built. However tarting up QUAY:87 (it could do with it) is on the cards. I may add a few extra things, a small train ferry maybe, I have one on Axalp and they do add an interesting operating feature, a wagon works, or ordinary things like a brewery or a treacle mine - you know the sort of thing. Whatever it may be it won't be what you might be anticipating. I wish I'd made the shuttling tram metre gauge so I would have had some dual gauge. Too late now but what else? Whether I can fit any of this within the existing footprint or have to resort to an extension (don't want to) remains to be seen. Baron 11 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Brian, my breath is suitably bated in anticipation of whatever you come up with! 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Seeing Quai in all its naked glory, as above..I am minded of recognising where the Harry Potter flim makers got their inspiration, for Hogwarts staircases from? As always, marvellous stuff, Brian........and whatever you decide to come up with...bearing in mind, most of us reading this will have either endured, or have to look forward to, you age related afflictions.....whatever it is, it will doubtless be an inspiration to those of us who have stumbled over these very issues.? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlepeak Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Brian, Long ago I gave up trying to guess what might come out of the ZOB workshops next, but that mere statement gave me an idea. Why wouldn't the ZOB repair works be located alongside Quai87, and why wouldn't they have expanded their business to offer refurbishment and maintenance services to all comers, whether standard or narrow gauge? One could imagine all sorts of oddities arriving by ship, by transporter wagon or under their own power - the world's your oyster! I quite understand the need to go back to something that grabs the imagination, and besides, we p87 folk need to stick together! The RGVJ directors will be pleased to see such a renowned engineering establishment staying in business! All the best. Hopefully we can catch up soon. Geraint 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I think a busy double track underground subway station would be yet another unique feature. Especially with the water table being right up there. And it could be metre gauge. Very Dutch??? Andy 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted January 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2020 Perhaps one of these? 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 https://www.wplives.org/sn/ramon.html Overhead electric cars and freight ferry. Andy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I'm looking forward to seeing the refurbishment Brian, your modelling has always given me lot's of inspiration and I'm sure the new project will be no different 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted January 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2020 Trans-layout Monorail, Wuppertal style, surely? 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Middlepeak said: SNIPPED I quite understand the need to go back to something that grabs the imagination, and besides, we p87 folk need to stick together! The RGVJ directors will be pleased to see such a renowned engineering establishment staying in business! Geraint FWIW in imagination grabbing, Proto:87 Grand Union nearing completion. 2 rail wiring and 8/16 point motors are a bit of an issue yet Andy 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-Pete Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Re6/6 said: Perhaps one of these? Two possibilities; https://www.artitecshop.com/en/railroad-ferry.html or the wallet-busting option: https://www.regionsetcompagnies.fr/produit/846-ferry-boat-a-quai/ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, TT-Pete said: Two possibilities; https://www.artitecshop.com/en/railroad-ferry.html or the wallet-busting option: https://www.regionsetcompagnies.fr/produit/846-ferry-boat-a-quai/ Love the wallet busting option, it's nearly as long as the layout. But thanks anyway. Baron 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2020 I wonder how many of the wallet busters they sell? It's a bit of a niche market even before considering any inherent reluctance to spend 765 euros on a card kit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-Pete Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Neil said: I wonder how many of the wallet busters they sell? It's a bit of a niche market even before considering any inherent reluctance to spend 765 euros on a card kit. And if you add in the linkspan, terminal building and dockside crane kits - 1,089 euros. Hmm. (starts scribbling on a scrap of paper) "Dear Santa, ..." :^) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 15 hours ago, Andy Reichert said: FWIW in imagination grabbing, Proto:87 Grand Union nearing completion. 2 rail wiring and 8/16 point motors are a bit of an issue yet Andy Hello Andy Thank you for your interest in this stuff. I do like the grand junction assembled from your components, looks like a cracker. If i ever do one it will be of the type I saw several of in Prague where three rails all share the same crossing. Nearly got run over photo-ing those in the rush hour. On my own tramway trackage I like to colour the base of the flangeway groove a crud colour. Is this possible with the fabricated parts and still maintain good electrical contact? Been meaning to ask for some time as a friend of mine is considering using it. Regards, Baron Just looking at the pic more closely it appears the wheels run on their flanges throughout the complex and not just at the crossings as is more usual. Interesting stuff to me. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-Pete Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Brian Harrap said: On my own tramway trackage I like to colour the base of the flangeway groove a crud colour. Is this possible with the fabricated parts and still maintain good electrical contact? Electrically conductive paint: https://cpc.farnell.com/bare-conductive/sku-0216/electric-paint-jar-50ml/dp/MK00609?st=electrically conductive paints 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Brian Harrap said: Hello Andy Thank you for your interest in this stuff. I do like the grand junction assembled from your components, looks like a cracker. If i ever do one it will be of the type I saw several of in Prague where three rails all share the same crossing. Nearly got run over photo-ing those in the rush hour. On my own tramway trackage I like to colour the base of the flangeway groove a crud colour. Is this possible with the fabricated parts and still maintain good electrical contact? Been meaning to ask for some time as a friend of mine is considering using it. Regards, Baron Just looking at the pic more closely it appears the wheels run on their flanges throughout the complex and not just at the crossings as is more usual. Interesting stuff to me. Thanks Brian, Proto wheels (P87 and P4) run solely on their tyres, So flange way colouring is fine. Deeper flange wheels run in the flange tips, but only at scale speeds. In the latter case the increase in pressure seems to obviate the need for cleaning track entirely. But using pencil lead in the grooves seems to stay around regardless. Andy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 23/01/2020 at 17:14, Middlepeak said: Brian, Long ago I gave up trying to guess what might come out of the ZOB workshops next, but that mere statement gave me an idea. Why wouldn't the ZOB repair works be located alongside Quai87, and why wouldn't they have expanded their business to offer refurbishment and maintenance services to all comers, whether standard or narrow gauge? One could imagine all sorts of oddities arriving by ship, by transporter wagon or under their own power - the world's your oyster! I quite understand the need to go back to something that grabs the imagination, and besides, we p87 folk need to stick together! The RGVJ directors will be pleased to see such a renowned engineering establishment staying in business! All the best. Hopefully we can catch up soon. Geraint Thanks Geraint, Might be the germ of an idea there, often thought of joining the two layouts together somehow but finding the space to do it is another thing. I'll let you know if and when such workshops are up and running - might even see some RGVJ stock on the quays, that would be something. Thanks for your support and long live P87 Brian 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railwayrod Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Hi Brian. Good to see the old layout being refurbished and from some of the suggestions above you have a range of options. However knowing you and how you work you will come up with something special and uniquely ZOB. It is always nice to start a new layout with a clean canvas but refurbishing an existing one is a challenge which I know you will relish. Looking forward to seeing progress. By the way (and off topic) my layout will be in Railway Modeller April edition probably as "Railway of the Month" but we will see. Rod 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Harrap Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 I might just do one of these or one of these - needs to be something animated I think B 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 By the time I see you tomorrow I expect it to be partially finished ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2020 How about a railway version of the Falkirk Wheel. https://www.scottishcanals.co.uk/falkirk-wheel/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Brian Harrap said: I might just do one of these Excellent, a mechanised way of dumping your unwanted railway wagons in the water. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I did wonder if the "blue beast" was some kind of extra large/long weighing station. The above ground frame clearly is all rigid. But there are 4 heavy capstans on the top which clearly can raise/lower the corners of what ever is below. Unless there is some deep subterranean lift for one or several cars, , I don't see much opportunity for visible animation. Andy 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted February 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Andy Reichert said: I did wonder if the "blue beast" was some kind of extra large/long weighing station. The above ground frame clearly is all rigid. But there are 4 heavy capstans on the top which clearly can raise/lower the corners of what ever is below. Unless there is some deep subterranean lift for one or several cars, , I don't see much opportunity for visible animation. Andy Indeed Brian, where and what on earth is it? The pulleys and wires are confusing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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