ess1uk Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) just wondered if any one out there is modelling the GSMR masts that are becoming ever more common?? Edited April 18, 2020 by ess1uk Add to title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 13, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 13, 2011 Yep - we've got one on Blackmill, but can't track down a pic of it...... - yet Cheers, Mick Edit: Found a pic on another forum - 15th picture down Blackmill pictures 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 Yep - we've got one on Blackmill, but can't track down a pic of it...... - yet Cheers, Mick Edit: Found a pic on another forum - 15th picture down Blackmill pictures very impressive mast very good not quite the right type of REB (too big) but I like it where did you get it from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2011 very impressive mast very good not quite the right type of REB (too big) but I like it where did you get it from? Presume by REB, you mean the building? Scratch built. Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 Presume by REB, you mean the building? Scratch built. Mick Relocatable Equipment Building, made by Elliot did you scratch build the mast too? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 This link shows a solid mast with a larger REB very similar to that on Blackmill. I've had to post the Google image because if you click through to the site the image is cropped to the point of uselessness. It also appears to be on a very unusual foundation! Like other mobile phone masts they are likely to come in a range of types and sizes depending on the needs of a particular site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 14, 2011 Like other mobile phone masts they are likely to come in a range of types and sizes depending on the needs of a particular site. Pic of one of my local GSRM installations. I did observe to the builder of the model that the building was a bit large, but it was one that he already had in stock! Most of the installations near me are of this type with the steelwork base. Cheers, Mick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 That foundation is similar to the one I mentioned so maybe not so unusual after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted June 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2011 This link shows a solid mast with a larger REB very similar to that on Blackmill. Like other mobile phone masts they are likely to come in a range of types and sizes depending on the needs of a particular site. Indeed, the size will very much depend on how much hardware (comms gear, battery backup etc.) they're housing in there. Whilst I've no direct experience of GSM-R I've specified all sorts of different enclosure sizes for normal GSM/3G etc., there are a variety of manufacturers with standard sizes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted June 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2011 this one on the site of the former sinclairtown goods yard in kirkcaldy - a similar mast, but smaller boxes and fenced in. couldn't get any closer, but i've left the image big, so click for bigger version. notice the 'old fashioned' equivalent on the left (the light brown one) - there are several of these telegraph poles here, albeit without wires! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 This link shows a solid mast with a larger REB very similar to that on Blackmill. I've had to post the Google image because if you click through to the site the image is cropped to the point of uselessness. It also appears to be on a very unusual foundation! Like other mobile phone masts they are likely to come in a range of types and sizes depending on the needs of a particular site. the masts vary due to planning rules but the REB is the same for a GSMR site, see my pictures the other REBs (also made by Elliot) are for the FTN (fixed telecom network) and do vary in size depending on how much equipment needs to be housed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted June 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 15, 2011 I assume the standard mast still tends to be 14.9m as this is just under the 15m limit where planning permission gets more complicated. EDIT: if you fancy knocking up a GSM-R network as a hobby ;-) this is a pretty good guide:- http://www.uic.org/spip.php?article436 ..and a general overview:- http://www.uic.org/spip.php?rubrique873 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 this one on the site of the former sinclairtown goods yard in kirkcaldy - a similar mast, but smaller boxes and fenced in. couldn't get any closer, but i've left the image big, so click for bigger version. notice the 'old fashioned' equivalent on the left (the light brown one) - there are several of these telegraph poles here, albeit without wires! I'm not 100% sure that is Network Rail kit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted June 16, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm not 100% sure that is Network Rail kit I agree, it looks like a 'normal' 2G/3G site, three pairs of antennas, what looks like one Vodafone(Ericsson) and one O2 or Orange (Nokia/NSN) base station at the foot of the mast. Edit, checking on the public domain database:- http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/search That says Vodafone only, but I'm not convinced that's up to date - last I heard the operators weren't providing updated info. for the database. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted June 16, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2011 sorry about that! i remember seeing it in one of my photos and where it is is very near to railway line (line passes just behind the mast). i looked up the site linked to, the results are shown below. the yellow cross is roughly where it actually is. EDIT: the second one is UMTS (incidentally, spamcan's picture is of kirkcaldy station - sinclairtown station was a bit further north, but closed in 1969) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted June 16, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2011 sorry about that! i remember seeing it in one of my photos and where it is is very near to railway line (line passes just behind the mast). i looked up the site linked to, the results are shown below. the yellow cross is roughly where it actually is. EDIT: the second one is UMTS (incidentally, spamcan's picture is of kirkcaldy station - sinclairtown station was a bit further north, but closed in 1969) No worries, I'm something of a base station spotter. B) Apologies for getting the wrong station, I couldn't get near enough on Streetview to double check and it'd be a flippin long drive from Christchurch to check. I'm wondering if they're going to add the GSM-R sites on to sitefinder, after all it includes TETRA so I would expect GSM-R to be included at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 the masts vary due to planning rules but the REB is the same for a GSMR site, see my pictures the other REBs (also made by Elliot) are for the FTN (fixed telecom network) and do vary in size depending on how much equipment needs to be housed Network Rail do not need planning permission for the GSMR masts so the extend of designs will be very limited compared to mobile phone masts and most likely just variations in height - this is the legislation that NR benefit from. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 Network Rail do not need planning permission for the GSMR masts so the extend of designs will be very limited compared to mobile phone masts and most likely just variations in height - this is the legislation that NR benefit from. they do still have to work to planning rules, they can't just plonk a mast any where they like they have changed from taller masts to 15m masts though to appease the locals, meaning there are now more of them needed to get the coverage required Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 they do still have to work to planning rules, they can't just plonk a mast any where they like they have changed from taller masts to 15m masts though to appease the locals, meaning there are now more of them needed to get the coverage required Thats more simply being a good neighbour - the legislation is as I pointed out and if they were so minded they could plonk a 50m mast straight outside someones back door and no one could do anything about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 I'd have thought that there would be more of these on modern image layouts as they have been around for ages now and there are not many places that don't have one somewhere nearby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 near Northolt tube station 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 similar thread to be found here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 Malvern Wells Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 3 more pictures taken near St Erth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Does anyone produce a kit for these masts (or any mobile phone masts for that matter)? I seem to remember seeing a plastic kit for sale at an exhibition a number of years ago (probably five or six), but I can't remember the manufacturer and I don't recall ever having seen a kit for a mobile phone mast since. I would therefore be grateful if someone can reasure me that I wasn't imagining that I saw something that I didn't. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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