leslie10646 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 SPOIL WAGON IS A "GO" Colm has e-mailed me with an inkling of a few dozen sales, if I get this kit done, so I have persuaded my Chap to get it into his mastering schedule. First, let me say that there is no intention of doing this as a RTR wagon - of course we'll make up a few to prove it can be done and also for the website etc. I would find feedback useful on whether or not to include wheels and couplings. The kit WILL have NEM pockets. Also and obviously, some idea of peoples' requirements in terms of likely purchases, assuming we produce a decent kit! The more offering, the better chance of seeing the kit SOONER!!!! Have a look at my website, as I could do with a few sales of my current offerings, as I have thousands tied up in stock! This wagon kit will add to my debts! When, you all ask me? How do you make God laugh? Tell him your plans! I hope to have these in quantity by next Bangor, ie April 2014. Please e-mail me your thoughts and numbers - I can't hold you to them, but some idea would be useful. NOT PMs please, I'll forget to look here, use - lesliemcallister@aol.com I hope you guys aren't going to let me down - commercially, we'd be better to get on with a CIE wagon kit, which will be next up after the spoil wagon! Regards and thanks in advance. (And thanks to Colm for encouraging some response for me). Leslie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden-agenda Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 What ever you make will sell leslie but as far as the spoil wagon is concerned that may be a limited market as its only certain modellers will be interested in the NIR region and that era ( some modellers may convert when they see the model). I will certainly look at the model when its available. As far as the 21mm thing goes that,s been debated on other sites and i really could not care less as i only know of one person who models that track gauge so i am happy to go with what ever you decide. Best of luck. Regards G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden-agenda Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 A question regarding the spoil wagon did any ever venture onto CIE territory?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Spoil wagons never went onto CIE metals... But they did appear very occasionally on the GN main line on ballast wagons, possibly as far as Kilnasaggart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Spoil wagons never went onto CIE metals... But they did appear very occasionally on the GN main line on ballast wagons, possibly as far as Kilnasaggart. The modified spoil wagons for ballast duty on NIR were used regularly on the GN section,usually in the hands of DH2.Like jhb,I have no knowledge of them ever crossing the border onto CIE metals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I suspect they weren't allowed, Hunslet. They were known to be very unstable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2013 I can vouch for that having been involved with the NIR accident committee who dealt with a number of minor derailments that were put down to instability of the spoil wagons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden-agenda Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Spoil wagons never went onto CIE metals... But they did appear very occasionally on the GN main line on ballast wagons, possibly as far as Kilnasaggart. I think one spent 2 weeks on CIE metals according to a railfan news i just cant remember which one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Interesting, hidden-agenda. I have all the old IRNs, must look..... Don't remember it, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden-agenda Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Febuary 1972 issue titled Wagon on the loose just below News from Platin. http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/IRFN/IRFN1801.pdf I knew i had read it some where so spent an hour back checking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Ah! First time for everything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden-agenda Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I spotted this pic belong to a gent known as the Turf Burner. http://www.geograph.ie/photo/3505762 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted September 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2013 Does anyone know if a spoil wagon has been preserved? They do have an important place in history of railways in that they enabled the swansong of NIR steam to last a bit longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden-agenda Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Colin unfortunately no they were all scrapped, its only a pity one didn,t make it into the rpsi back yard or Downpatrick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 It's certainly true that the spoil wagons were confined mostly to the Larne-Belfast railway, although as pointed out above, some did venture more widely when in use as infrastructure wagons under NIR.. However, to many of us in the last days of steam in ireland they were an iconic sight - wheer else could you see trains topped and tailed by two 2-6-4 tanks? Many enthusiasts from across the water (where interest in modelling irish is growing) filmed them - I am hoping this project does well for Leslie, as i suppose I started the ball rolling a year or two ago! As I'm keen on 20 for Bleach Green, I don;t really fancy cutting al that plasticard strip to do my own version (KIrley knows what it's like.....) Colm Flanagan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Gents Just to assure you that this project isn't quite dead - I met Michael (aka "My Man") at a recent model railway show, where he was specifically hunting for a useful chassis on which to base his kit. He was successful and I have hopes that we will see some progress soon. The kit should be easy to build, as he plans to do the body as a single casting - so hopefully I will save a few Irish modellers from going crazy cutting and sticking Plasticard! Naturally, no dates and no promises, but it's a little progress at last - the fact that I have insisted that it be only done as a kit may galvanise Michael into action! Leslie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 The project progresses, to the extent that we almost know how many parts will be involved. Kirley (if he hasn't finished his rake) won't have hundreds of pieces of Plasticard to think of - we are probably looking at about 15-20 parts. Chassis a single cast, fours sides ....... Fingers crossed for the prototype to be at Bangor. Leslie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Sounds great Leslie, can't wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CPRAIL3000 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Just after uploading some photos of these wagons awaiting scrapping in Ballymena. These must be a modelling nightmare due to the differences in every wagon. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nirailfan/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Great pics, but what differences? I thought the spoil wagons were built in batch all completely the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CPRAIL3000 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I would say when new they where all manufactured the same, but by the time these photos where taken the differences can be clearly seen with a little extra look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Jackson Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Oh right, I understand what you mean, maybe in later life things began to be removed resulting in each one have slight differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 I think NIR made a number of modifications as they were using the wagons for a quite different purpose, but I have no details of exactly what was done and whether each modified wagon was the same. When made originally they would all have been identical. If you were modelling a train then you could certainly (even in the 1960s) have different degrees of weathering and bashes and dents were common! Huge lumps of earth and stone were dropped into them from tipper lorries at magheramorne. Colm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Yes, you guys are right about the differences! Michael and I have debated the issue at some length before taking an executive decision! Anyway, as I'm only offering you a kit, I'm sure you guys can play around with the parts to suit? Bashing the rims - they all seemed damaged to some degree - will involve some good work with 4mm scale rocks, dropped from a 4mm scale tipper truck!!!! Anyway, today's news is - "The spoil wagon model that you will get next week is a 'pre-production prototype'. I have made up and fitted all of the supporting struts under the hopper to finish the model on time. I will now go back and master these items for the kit next week at my leisure. I primed the model this morning, will finish paint it tomorrow and get it into the post to you on Tuesday." I normally don't go for the modern trend of "just in time" supplies, but I have to live with it!!!! See it at Bangor next weekend! I'll be taking orders, of course!!!! Leslie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlinxlili Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Thank you CPRail for the wonderful photographs! There are not many good photographs around of these wagons in their final condition. Indeed many of these wagons were modified for ballast work after the second spoil contract was finished. Basically the doors were welded shut, the bottom half of the inner door was cut out and some framing was added to previously unsupported parts of the hopper, etc. To keep the ballast inside a new internal door was fitted with the screw operating handle visible in the door aperture and another one on the far side of the wagon. I guess there will be a run on Colm's WT tanks to haul Leslie's new wagons. I hope they all sell well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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