Michael Delamar Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 some really nice archive footage. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfek7n_sncf-archives-la-raison-du-diesel_tech http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgivqb_sncf-archives-les-tee-magazine-du-rail-19_tech Ive only watched these so far, there is probably more, I know very little about French railways but still nice to watch. Mike 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordonwis Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 The first one 'La Raison du Diesel' (translates as 'Diesel is right' (ie correct!) is superb. Film shows 060DB (later CC65000), o4oDE (later BB63000), C61000 rod drive 060, Y6200, VH railcar, ABJ railcar. The inclusion of the 040DE is probably deliberate as the film is all about the west coast area and the 040DE were built by Brissoneau & Lotz at Aytré (La Rochelle suburb) which is still a railway works (Alstom). All classes of Diesel and diesel railcar featured are now withdrawn except for a odd example of 040DE and Y6200 in special depot-only use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Piszczek Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Yeah, you just have to like trains to enjoy these. Good catch! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 An excellent find and some interesting material there. I think these videos may date from the late 'fifties as the CC65000 entered service in 1957, and the TEE network was set up in the same year (when Kraftwerk were still in metallic nappies). Reclassification and renumbering (e.g. from 060.DB to CC65000) took place in 1962, so the material must pre-date this. Incidentally the last examples of the Etat 231.F Pacifics (shown in the first clip) finished in 1965 - unfortunately none survive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2011 some really nice archive footage. http://www.dailymoti...-du-diesel_tech Mike My how times change - to think that only 30ish years later my journey from Paris to La Rochelle and return was by TGV! Lovely film and nice to see the exterior of La Rochelle station in something other than pouring rain (which seemed to be a special feature of the week I spent there, apart from the last couple of days). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 the location at 7min12 in the first film looks very picturesque, and that coal they used for the steam locos doesnt look too good, presumably thats what the brickets were for? the second film, as I say I know little to nothing about european railways, typical british enthusiast probably. however I have seen pics of engines and trains over the years and wondered what they where, one was the TEE, doing a little bit of reading up on them, the German one sounds like some of the western diesels, Hymek and Warships. the TEE trains, and those French diesels in the first clip, do seem to have a really nice stylish look to them Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 the TEE trains, and those French diesels in the first clip, do seem to have a really nice stylish look to them Mike Well, yes indeed. The French even hired a car stylist, Paul Arzens, to design some of their diesel and electric loco bodies. Having said that, one of my favourite electric locos - 2D2 5538 series (« Femmes enceintes ») appears in the first clip at Poitiers (just before the lineside shot you admired), but this was a pre-Arzens design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 27, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2011 the location at 7min12 in the first film looks very picturesque, and that coal they used for the steam locos doesnt look too good, presumably thats what the brickets were for? the second film, as I say I know little to nothing about european railways, typical british enthusiast probably. however I have seen pics of engines and trains over the years and wondered what they where, one was the TEE, doing a little bit of reading up on them, the German one sounds like some of the western diesels, Hymek and Warships. the TEE trains, and those French diesels in the first clip, do seem to have a really nice stylish look to them Mike The coal is, I think, fairly typically French for that period - a lot of dust plus the well known SNCF briquettes but they seem to have produced decent fires and drivers would still have been on coal saving bonus (plus their daily ration of a litre of wine) back then. I've only now looked at the TEE film which is fascinating for all sorts of reasons including how much of the lineside industry has simply vanished and been left to rot. Fascinating too to se the routes and journey times for TEE as it first appeared in France - odd to feel that I've done most, of the French parts of the routes covered by that film and in many cases in loco hauled trains which in the 1990s were quicker than the TEEs of 40 years earlier but with distinctly grottier standards of catering (but not the massive supplements demanded for long distance TEE trips). So an interesting look at a France of an era I never got to see in some cases, such as Zurich - Paris, on routes I later came to know and use on a number of occasions (by TGV, and still the catering wasn't a patch on the stuff in that film). Thanks for the links. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 this is from a british transport film, does anyone know what this french loco is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2011 this is from a british transport film, does anyone know what this french loco is? Looks like a BB12000 - full details here (in French) http://dictionary.sensagent.com/BB_12000/fr-fr/ the class was the subject of models from a number of manufacturers, here's Jouef one and here's a Trix one (going slow enough to see) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8i9efhD700&feature=related Basically they suffered from the massive decline of industry in north east France as well as becoming outdated and overtaken by later designs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 thanks Mike. been wondering about that for a while now. the commentator on the film said that in France they tried at first with AC motors, then DC with rectifiers on board , I imagine this class is what they tried that experiment out on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 and why the 2 pantographs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2011 thanks Mike. been wondering about that for a while now. the commentator on the film said that in France they tried at first with AC motors, then DC with rectifiers on board , I imagine this class is what they tried that experiment out on. The French link I gave explained several different methods they tried with various locos in the early days of 25kv electrification (presumably the north east area schemes?). SNCF always seemed keen on having two pans on their locos - presumably the idea was that in the event of damage you had a spare ready to hand, however on some of the multi-voltage/system classes one pan is used for one voltage/system and the other for another/others (as per Eurostar); it is quite something to stand at a station where changeover takes place on the move and watch the pan drop as the train comes towards you then the other one raise as the train runs past the neutral section onto the other voltage - I watched a loco doing it at about 75 mph at a Franco-Belgian border station but Eurostar, and TGVs of course, do it at much higher speeds. Mention the idea in this country and people think you're barmy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 thanks Mike, only recentley I found out the TGV change the voltage on the move, wasnt aware older generation ones did it too. still learning, its something Ive never really looked at. some sped up film with footage from the above clips and more. the french clip in the BTF I think is from a SNCF film but havent seen it yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODFRkNenOU Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 this one on the btf, looks like it may be a co-co, making it a cc15000? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 29, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2011 this one on the btf, looks like it may be a co-co, making it a cc15000? CC14000 I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 sorry, cc 14000, dont know why I typed 15000. this film is very good. building of the Diesel cc 70000 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc4pck_sncf-archives-les-cc-70000_tech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 this one is also excellent. bb 16500 part 1 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc5srw_sncf-archives-cavalerie-legere-les_tech part 2 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xh53qm_sncf-archives-cavalerie-legere-les-bb-16500-partie-2_tech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 more archives fantastiques! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnSl43AvKKI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 signalling, explained with model railway http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc7gdp_sncf-archives-le-rouge-le-vert_tech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 autorails http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc5cm3_sncf-archives-les-autorails-des-ann_tech turbotrain http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc5729_sncf-archives-de-l-autorail-au-turb_tech Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Hello. Resurrecting an old topic here. I was wondering if anyone has come across drawings or blueprints of the CC65000 loco? I've asked Google, but its come up with nothing..... Any help appreciated. Thanks, Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) You will find small scale drawings here edition year month/edition page Edit: sorry the data did not transfer across as cleanly as I had hoped First line - continental modeller 4th line - Encyclopedia du Material Moteur tome 6 5th line Les portraits de rail (supplement inside Ferrovisime. Edited July 3, 2020 by Andy Hayter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6150 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 That's great, thanks for your help. Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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