modfather Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 The 61xx etch looks promising - any extra parts to titivate the body on the etch Chris? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Marvellous work Chris I shall definitely be buying one. Thanks for clarifying that the 0-4-2-2 configuration would be the better bet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 The 61xx etch looks promising - any extra parts to titivate the body on the etch Chris? The bufferbeams are on there. But I have yet to add a footplate valence and steps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) I can now reveal the identity of the the mystery chassis. It is a 'Big Lizzie'. I have burnt the midnight oil so to speak, to get this finished a few hours ahead of its deadline. Those of you of an LMS disposition will perhaps know the history of these locos. A small class of 5 built for heavy shunting in 1924, their large MR style boiler has a clear familial resemblence to the Lickey Banker which preceded it, and the ill-fated 7F that followed, with which it shares its coupled wheelbase. The locos spent their working lives allocated to Toton shed, from where they shunted the extensive freight yards in the vicinity. They survived to nationalisation, but were all scrapped in the early 1950s. Classified as 6Fs, and known variously by railway staff as Big Lizzies, Morris 10s, or Rivers, they shared many components with the 4Fs, including the weakness in their bearings, although with their limited range of operation this did not prove as much of a problem as they did with the 7Fs. Researching this model has proved a challenge, with little infomation surviving, to the point I began to believe that they may never have existed at all. However I was assured they did by a Mr R. Essery (not 'Midland Bob' but his Italian cousin Roberto). What drawings available proved a trap to the unwary. A certain manufacturer produced a model of the class in the past, but were deceived by an early draft GA showing an 0-6-0T. This was done by an apprentice draftsman, who was soon sent home with a flea in his ear and shouts of 'axle loading' sounding in his memory. Even redesigned as an 0-8-0T, this proved an impediment, with the Chief Civil Engineer only allowing the loco out of Toton yard to make the short trip to Derby for overhauls at a maximum speed of 10mph. They were banned from the rest of the system, which spelt the end to any thoughts of extending the class numbers. The earlier models were produced in a number of fanciful liveries, one of which is shown in the photos, whereas in reality the locos only ever carried unlined black. You will notice I have abandoned the 3D printed chasis block, as after looking a long time at the WSF block from Shapeways, I convinced myself it was in fact out of square. Hopefully the FUD examples I am expecting soon will prove better. I have reverted to a standard chassis with PCB spacers. This is important as I am confident of a clean sweep of the prizes at the next AGM provided I get the running correct. At the very least this loco with its cast body and a large motor will embaress other entries into submission with its haulage capacity. The etch will be made available as a limited edition for the many of you who specialise in (hump) shunting plank layouts, for which it will be ideal. But you need to order by tomorrow at midday. Edited March 31, 2016 by Chris Higgs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 So there you have it. David Long I think was closest with an Austin Seven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I can now reveal the identity of the the mystery chassis. It is a 'Big Lizzie'. I have burnt the midnight oil so to speak, to get this finished a few hours ahead of its deadline. Those of you of an LMS disposition will perhaps know the history of these locos. A small class of 5 built for heavy shunting in 1924, their large MR style boiler has a clear familial resemblence to the Lickey Banker which preceded it, and the ill-fated 7F that followed, with which it shares its coupled wheelbase. The locos spent their working lives allocated to Toton shed, from where they shunted the extensive freight yards in the vicinity. They survived to nationalisation, but were all scrapped in the early 1950s. Classified as 6Fs, and known variously by railway staff as Big Lizzies, Morris 10s, or Rivers, they shared many components with the 4Fs, including the weakness in their bearings, although with their limited range of operation this did not prove as much of a problem as they did with the 7Fs. Researching this model has proved a challenge, with little infomation surviving, to the point I began to believe that they may never have existed at all. However I was assured they did by a Mr R. Essery (not 'Midland Bob' but his Italian cousin Roberto). What drawings available proved a trap to the unwary. A certain manufacturer produced a model of the class in the past, but were deceived by an early draft GA showing an 0-6-0T. This was done by an apprentice draftsman, who was soon sent home with a flea in his ear and shouts of 'axle loading' sounding in his memory. Even redesigned as an 0-8-0T, this proved an impediment, with the Chief Civil Engineer only allowing the loco out of Toton yard to make the short trip to Derby for overhauls at a maximum speed of 10mph. They were banned from the rest of the system, which spelt the end to any thoughts of extending the class numbers. The earlier models were produced in a number of fanciful liveries, one of which is shown in the photos, whereas in reality the locos only ever carried unlined black. So little known were these locos that they even escaped the eagle eyes of Ian Allan and Uncle Mac (A.B.Macleod) when they compiled the 1947, and final, edition of the ABC of LMS Locomotives, and they were thus excluded from this august and otherwise comprehensive volume. This omission led the class to be known among those few spotters in the know as les poissons d'avril. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branwell Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Roberto Essery ... was he also a spaghetti grower? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 So little known were these locos that they even escaped the eagle eyes of Ian Allan and Uncle Mac (A.B.Macleod) when they compiled the 1947, and final, edition of the ABC of LMS Locomotives, and they were thus excluded from this august and otherwise comprehensive volume. This omission led the class to be known among those few spotters in the know as les poissons d'avril. I believe they were stored pending repairs during 1947 due to a boiler explosion on one of the class. Perhaps Ian Allan mistakenly believed they had been scrapped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 I believe they were stored pending repairs during 1947 due to a boiler explosion on one of the class. Perhaps Ian Allan mistakenly believed they had been scrapped. A boiler explosion in a loco only built in 1924 would have resulted in an investigation by the MoT, doubtless looking for any potential design flaws. The resultant report would have been full of useful information on the class but it must have been mis-filed as searching through the listings of MoT reports published in the years leading up to 1947 failed to find it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Here is the 28XX chassis. I had to drill some pretty large holes in the spacers to clear the pillars onn the Dapol body, the one at the front has compromised where I need to drill a hole for the pony truck pivot. So I think I may instead cut these off the body moudling. The chassis has two different positions for the idler shaft for the wormwheel. The chassis has been built with the higher point, which matches the height required for the motor in the Dapol tender.. The lower one is the correct height if used with the chassis etch I have for the tender. Chris Edited April 7, 2016 by Chris Higgs 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Here are my test prints for Class 08 wheels to fit the Bachmann/Farish axles. As they are hidden behind the outside frames, they can have a big and deep boss. The key for these is to avoid wobble. For this I have devised two methods of using the Association quartering jig as a wheel press. First the 3D printed inserts need pressing into tthe tyres. For this I use a 9mm wheel holder to hold the tyre, and the insert is pressed in using a 7mm wheel holder. This applies even pressure arond the edge of the insert so it goes in straght. Then the wheels are pressed onto the axle. Here the normal 9mm wheel holders are used, with a hole drilled through the middlle to allow the extended axle to protrude. This way both wheels are pressed onto the axle equally. I am going to modify the inserts further. Aa assembled axle shows me that Bachmann allow an alarming amount of sideplay on their wheels. I am going to make the wheel boss even deeper to restrict this. I have also prnted some equisite outside cranks, but whether they are robust enough to use is another question You can also see that one of the wheel inserts are for the special wheels fitted to the SR shunters (later BR Class 12). Chris Edited April 7, 2016 by Chris Higgs 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modfather Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Any idea when the 61xx will be out Chris? I've rummaged in the depths to find and paintstrip a body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I've got one waiting to - it's my next project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Also in the queue. My new workbench is almost complete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinerChris Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I'm on the lookout for any photos people may have and are willing to share of builds of the etched loco chassis range. I want to create a document of photos with captions to help others. Of particular interest would be things not already covered by the instructions, such as how you mounted the motor, and conversions and modifications. I am also looking for any photos of assembled etched bufferstops from the Association range, to create a similar document. Chris Late to the party I know, but here's my write up of my build of the 14xx chassis, after many failed attempts, as I know not everyone reads the blog's. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1134/entry-17763-fixing-the-vomit-comet-part-2/ Best Regards, Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DavidLong Posted July 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2016 Also on the next test etch are NPCS underframes for the Farish BR CCT, and the Dapol SR BY. Chris Hi Chris, Any idea when these etches may be available? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Any update Chris? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Any update Chris? All of the following are ready to be produced. However I am awaiting confirmation from the Association as to which if any will be shop items. If not, then I will be placing an item in the December Newsletter to sell them on a one-off limited edition basis. Wagon underframes: LNWR 9' LNWR 9'9" LYR 10'6" LYR 12' NPCS underframes: BR CCT (for Farish body) SR BY (for Dapol body) Coach bogies MR 10' Bain Loco replacement chassis GWR 51XX GWR 28XX GWR Hall/Grange/Manor These items will in any case be a one-off offering direct from me: GWR 44XX etched chassis Etched underframes and bogies for the Dapol Maunsell caches LNWR Coal Tank chassis Chris 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modfather Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Chris - is there any chance of you re-running the b set/siphon underframes before I start hacking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 All of the following are ready to be produced. However I am awaiting confirmation from the Association as to which if any will be shop items. If not, then I will be placing an item in the December Newsletter to sell them on a one-off limited edition basis. ... NPCS underframes: BR CCT (for Farish body) .... LNWR Coal Tank chassis I'd be interested in the BR CCT - hopefully it would fit the Lima effort as well (with a little tweaking) - not really into that era but I bought one to practise my painting and actually to my untutored eye the body on the Lima model looks alright to me. Also interested in details of the LNWR Coal Tank chassis, although I have just bought motor and gears to start my own chassis so it depends on the arrangement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 Chris - is there any chance of you re-running the b set/siphon underframes before I start hacking? I have both types of Siphon. Did I do the B-set? I must have forgotten. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted October 18, 2016 Author Share Posted October 18, 2016 I'd be interested in the BR CCT - hopefully it would fit the Lima effort as well (with a little tweaking) - not really into that era but I bought one to practise my painting and actually to my untutored eye the body on the Lima model looks alright to me. Also interested in details of the LNWR Coal Tank chassis, although I have just bought motor and gears to start my own chassis so it depends on the arrangement. I would not be willing to bet on the Lima one being to any particular scale! The Coal Tank chssis is discussed on another thread on here. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modfather Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I have both types of Siphon. Did I do the B-set? I must have forgotten. Chris Might have been my unreliable memory. I'll pm you once I'm off shift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted October 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2016 I have both types of Siphon. Chris Country and Western? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I would not be willing to bet on the Lima one being to any particular scale! That's a shame - the paint went on nicely! It was only £1 so nothing lost for a bit of practice. Thanks for the info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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