edcayton Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I don't have access to my books at the moment, but have a look at Ian Futers' two Scottish layout planning books. AFAIR there are both prototype and imagined schemes. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Among Dad's fairly modest collection of Scottish railway photos there is a very atmospheric shot taken at Dundee Docks of North British Railway class Y9 0-4-0T - BR no.68114 on 1.8.1952. It can be seen below and at http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/album/4133-scotland-in-the-1950s/ where all Dad's Scottish steam photos are also displayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Phil, I think the loco's on the same piece of track as my photo's at reply #8 in this topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted January 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2015 Phil, I think the loco's on the same piece of track as my photo's at reply #8 in this topic. I don't know the location - I wonder when it was last used. I am pleased you found the photo of interest, Penlan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
souwest Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Hi, There's also North Queensferry - and for that matter South Queensferry. There was a wee article in the NB Study group's Journal on North Queensferry around 1992. souwest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Phil_Sutters, looking on Google Earth, it's the area outside 'Apex City Quay'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2, 2015 Phil_Sutters, looking on Google Earth, it's the area outside 'Apex City Quay'. Nice that it's got a bit of heritage status. I still prefer the 'traffic' in Dad's shot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDEEDIESEL Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The photos taken at Dundee in the 50's and the 2008 ones are from different locations(not far away). The 1950's shot has The Royal Arch in the background which was demolished to make way for the Tay Road Bridge. Best way to describe the exact location now would be that the loco is stitting in front of the Caird Hall in Shore Tce with Dock Street Tunnel below.The harbour line came straight along here connecting Dundee East and West stations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 3, 2015 The photos taken at Dundee in the 50's and the 2008 ones are from different locations(not far away). The 1950's shot has The Royal Arch in the background which was demolished to make way for the Tay Road Bridge. Best way to describe the exact location now would be that the loco is stitting in front of the Caird Hall in Shore Tce with Dock Street Tunnel below.The harbour line came straight along here connecting Dundee East and West stations. Thanks for clarifying the location. As you can see from my profile, I live at the other end of the UK, so my only connection to Scottish railways is through Dad's photos and he didn't venture north that often! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDEEDIESEL Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 No bother Phil. The 2008 scene thankfully is still the same today with the tracks still in place.Sadly the majority of the Dundee harbour lines have been lost through the numerous redevelopements of the waterfront over the years and the redevelopement of the area surrounding Camperdown Junction (which used to "feed" the eastern end) although some tracks remain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberbrothock Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 No bother Phil. The 2008 scene thankfully is still the same today with the tracks still in place.Sadly the majority of the Dundee harbour lines have been lost through the numerous redevelopements of the waterfront over the years and the redevelopement of the area surrounding Camperdown Junction (which used to "feed" the eastern end) although some tracks remain. Just along the coast from Dundee was Arbroath which had a branch down to the harbour which survived until the early 'sixties IRIC. It was the surviving link between the original Arbroath station of the Dundee & Arbroath Rly. at Ladyloan and the Catherine Street Terminus of the Arbroath and Forfar Rly. I do have a nice photo of it, if I can find it (!), and scan it. Incidentally there is talk of a memorial for the Royal Arch at Dundee Harbour to be added as part of the Waterfront Development. It was the common way to walk from Shore Terrace through the arch over to the swimming baths which again are a distant memory. The little dock shunters, complete with their spark arresters, were a well-loved part of the harbour scene in the 1950's, along with the sand boats in the docks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberbrothock Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Sorry about the dyslexic IIRC - old age! I have this Douglas Phillips print of the Royal Arch hung in the living room at home - the loco isn't quite in the correct proportions, but the atmosphere of the scene is well caught. The building to the left was the Empress Ballroom - quite a "dive" it was said! (Sorry about the reflection of the television in the right hand corner). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2015 Sorry about the dyslexic IIRC - old age! I have this Douglas Phillips print of the Royal Arch hung in the living room at home - the loco isn't quite in the correct proportions, but the atmosphere of the scene is well caught. The building to the left was the Empress Ballroom - quite a "dive" it was said! Royal Arch Dundee, D Phillips.jpg (Sorry about the reflection of the television in the right hand corner). Move the train over to the right and it could be an interpretation of Dad's photo. above! The arch and the steamer funnel are both there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberbrothock Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hi Phil It was quite a photogenic spot, what with the arch, the harbour - and the trains! The harbour sidings at Arbroath as photographed by James Valentine, courtsey of Ian Johnstone who is a great authority on all things Arbroath. The Smith Hood wagon is nicely posed in the centre and the old style fishing boats complete the scene. Regards Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Aberbrothoc, do you have a clearer view of the wagon lettering?I know I'm in west Cornwall and I model South Wales, but my family is Arbroath (Croall), so I wouldn't mind adding this wagon to my fleet...I recognise the view, and remember when there was a decent fleet in the Harbour too.One of my relations was one of the RNLI Arbroath six who died in 1952.I was at school then in Inverkeilor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2015 Aberbrothoc, do you have a clearer view of the wagon lettering? I know I'm in west Cornwall and I model South Wales, but my family is Arbroath (Croall), so I wouldn't mind adding this wagon to my fleet... I recognise the view, and remember when there was a decent fleet in the Harbour too. One of my relations was one of the RNLI Arbroath six who died in 1952. I was at school then in Inverkeilor. I thought I remembered seeing a Smith Hood wagon before. Parkside Dundas have a 7mm kit on their site. http://www.parksidedundas.co.uk/acatalog/PARKSIDE_DUNDAS_PRIVATE_OWNER_WAGONS.html but whether it is the same type I don't know. The link connects with the PO page where the SH wagon sides are very near the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Many thanks, seen it now.... Uhmn, shouldn't be difficult to reproduce in 4mm, I've plenty of transfers in boxes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberbrothock Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hi Penlan (and others) I don't have wagon photos, but in 1973 when I was doing a photo survey of the Station and surroundings at Arbroath, I took the two attached shots of the coal offices in the goods yard. They show the full names of the two companies concerned. The first one shows the rusting coal shed used by Thomas Muir, Son and Patton. The shed had been painted in a hideous bright green paint, which was probably holding the structure together, and the sign itself is white lettering on a dark blue background. (Ratio do a good model of the shed, which is one of the very few non-scratchbuilt buildings on my layout). The photo was taken through a gap in the boundary wall where there was a platform and loading facility for bitumen from the Briggs plant along near the beach at Elliot. The bitumen was transferred by road tanker to Arbroath and then piped down into waiting rail tankers to be transported away to Dundee and beyond. Bachmann and Hornby have produced Briggs Dundee tankers in the past. The T M S & P coal wagons were painted in an attractive maroon colour pre-war. I have an old lithographed wagon from the thirties, (from my father's collection), and will post a photo of it at some point. Smith Hood & Co. were using the office at the weighbridge at Arbroath - attached to the red brick Goods Offices. Hope these are informative and useful, as the saying goes........ Aberbrothock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberbrothock Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Two pics of PO wagons used at Arbroath, probably including the harbour branch from time to time.......... The old litho T M S & P coal wagon, (Merco, Dundee, 1930's), possibly still available via the Bilteezi sheet reproducers. Robert Taylor wagon, maybe still available, along with T M S & P wagon and two Briggs tankers, being "played with," by the two resident local Ivatt class 2's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Aberbrothock, Many thanks, looks like I might have to letter more than one then....My eyesights not so good these days.Typical - The last of my Father's generation (of family) died a couple of years ago, so I can't ask some questions now. I do know that my Great-Great Grandfather was the Manager of a Coal Office in Montrose - This came from Masonic records, but nobody in the Family was aware of it. I haven't found out yet which Office though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 The Captain of my Boys' Brigade comes from Arbroath/Dundee - if anyone has anything they want to find out about the area,PM me and I'll see if he can point you in the right direction (no promises of any answers though!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted February 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hi all, Port Seton Harbour in East Lothian still has remnants of track in the harbour wall and approaches. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Cockenzie,+Prestonpans,+East+Lothian+EH32/@55.9723388,-2.9551227,334m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4887bab835dac35d:0x2adbc172dcce3df4 Google does not let you get close enough - but the tracks are still visible when you walk along the harbour basin! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 There was also the narrow gauge Skye marble railway it ran along the pier at Broadford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Maybe a "round the coast" guide. Dover has been mentioned. Folkestone (quite extensive). Rye harbour Newhaven Harbour Newhaven West Quay (famous for Femchurch and the swing bridge) Kingston Wharf Who wants to continue (or fill in and missed) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Maybe a "round the coast" guide. Dover has been mentioned. Folkestone (quite extensive). Rye harbour Newhaven Harbour Newhaven West Quay (famous for Femchurch and the swing bridge) Kingston Wharf Who wants to continue (or fill in and missed) This topic is in 'Railways of Scotland'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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