50A55B Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I'm inclined to say it's a split headcode loco - with a single box the four characters were evenly spaced but it looks to me as if there might be a larger gap in the middle. My only other comment is that I wouldn't necessarily eliminate a loco because it doesn't appear in Kenneth Gray's list - that is very much a work in progress and new locos are still occasionally found in photographs. Bill I'd beg to differ regarding the character spacing issue. Look at the photo of D43 in post 98 as an example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I'd beg to differ regarding the character spacing issue. Look at the photo of D43 in post 98 as an example. The split headcode and centre headcode Peaks share the same panels, so there is the slightly larger gap between the 2nd and 3rd characters. Al Taylor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I'm inclined to say it's a split headcode loco - with a single box the four characters were evenly spaced but it looks to me as if there might be a larger gap in the middle. My only other comment is that I wouldn't necessarily eliminate a loco because it doesn't appear in Kenneth Gray's list - that is very much a work in progress and new locos are still occasionally found in photographs. Bill Agreed, Bill - I think the shadows indicate a split panel too. I think we're looking at D136 here. For modelling purposes, it's enough of a backstory for me to allocate a number to another of my available Peaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Jamieson Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) I'd beg to differ regarding the character spacing issue. Look at the photo of D43 in post 98 as an example. Well it looks to me, comparing two shots of my own on Railscot, that the spacing is even with a one piece headcode box and quite different from a central split box - https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=44614 https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=42178 Bill Edited August 22, 2016 by Bill Jamieson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50A55B Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) I suspect there may have been two types of arrangement for single panel headcode peaks, with the early examples using two x two character boxes adjacent to each other (hence the uneven spacing) and later builds (like D181 above) having a one piece 4 character unit with even spacing. Centre headcode 40s had a wider spacing between characters two and three as well. Edit, here's an example: http://www.derbysulzers.com/126exeteryard73.jpg Edited August 22, 2016 by 50A55B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Jamieson Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Agreed - this obviously complicates the issue for 'Chard! Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50A55B Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Looks like a bit of research is required. I wonder if the unevenly spaced examples were Brush rebuilds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 This could equally have been posted in the New Image Links thread, for its trackwork interest.... Low Buckholmside Peak, passing what looks like the trailing points of the skinworks siding, or Paterson's siding. Need to check on the Signalbox site.... https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=56484 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJCT Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 This could equally have been posted in the New Image Links thread, for its trackwork interest.... Low Buckholmside Peak, passing what looks like the trailing points of the skinworks siding, or Paterson's siding. Need to check on the Signalbox site.... https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=56484 My information is that 1S22 was the northbound overnight sleeper rather than the daytime train from St.Pancras (which was 1S64) and this does look like an early frosty morning shot - perhaps taken during the last autumn of operation. If that's so, the train might have been running late as it was due in Gala around 6.25am. Interesting to see that as well as the 1S22 headcode the loco also carries "Class 1" lamps - no longer necessary, but clearly old habits died hard. As you say, very interesting trackwork - handworked catch point in close proximity to trailing siding connection presumably worked by ground frame released from Gala signalbox, and that looks like a facing point lock protecting-ramp in the four foot. I must look up my Sectional Appendix, but meantime I wonder if the PW/S&T experts on here can tell us more ? Alasdair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) My information is that 1S22 was the northbound overnight sleeper rather than the daytime train from St.Pancras (which was 1S64) and this does look like an early frosty morning shot - perhaps taken during the last autumn of operation. If that's so, the train might have been running late as it was due in Gala around 6.25am. Interesting to see that as well as the 1S22 headcode the loco also carries "Class 1" lamps - no longer necessary, but clearly old habits died hard. As you say, very interesting trackwork - handworked catch point in close proximity to trailing siding connection presumably worked by ground frame released from Gala signalbox, and that looks like a facing point lock protecting-ramp in the four foot. I must look up my Sectional Appendix, but meantime I wonder if the PW/S&T experts on here can tell us more ? It didn't cross my mind to question the caption based on the headcode, which is self-evidently the Down Beds!!! However, I think the lamps and the siding do point to this being around 1964. EDIT: The siding is Paterson's No.2, see: http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=363 Ordnance Survey 1964 shows siding still in situ, but it's gone by 1967 imprint. Edited September 14, 2016 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJCT Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 .... The siding is Paterson's No.2, see: http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=363 Ordnance Survey 1964 shows siding still in situ, but it's gone by 1967 imprint. Here's what I found in the 1947 LNER Sectional Appendix. The entry in the 1960 BR edition is essentially the same: I had read this many years ago and hadn't fully understood how it was supposed to work, but with the SB diagram all is explained... quite a lot of engine mileage involved, effectively running from Galashiels out to Kilnknowe Jn and back twice. Alasdair 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 "Looking back" from the Railscot site: https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=56621 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) S64 at Kelso Jct, Charlesfield Halt would have been a mile or so behind the train, in its day. https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=56864 Edited October 21, 2016 by 'CHARD dumb narrative by so-called expert 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJCT Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 S64 at Kelso Jct, Charlesfield Halt would have been a mile or so behind the train, in its day. https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=56864 I can only spot 7 vehicles in the formation - looks like BSK/FK/?CK/Restaurant/.... in place of the more usual 8 (winter formation anyway). No date given, but perhaps 1965/66 as the stock all appears to be in maroon, and there's a pile of rubble suggesting that Kelso Jn box has only recently been demolished ! Alasdair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 Shall I post here, or in the Famous Car Trains....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 A not-before seen (on here at least) view across Slitrig/ Lynnwood viaduct towards Hawick, at a date that I would put as late sixties (circa '67) based on the livery balance. https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=57351 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 I suspect there may have been two types of arrangement for single panel headcode peaks, with the early examples using two x two character boxes adjacent to each other (hence the uneven spacing) and later builds (like D181 above) having a one piece 4 character unit with even spacing. Centre headcode 40s had a wider spacing between characters two and three as well. Edit, here's an example: http://www.derbysulzers.com/126exeteryard73.jpg I think D181 might have been built new with the single centre headcode. 126 would have been an alteration compared to its state when new (split centre I think). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I think D181 might have been built new with the single centre headcode. 126 would have been an alteration compared to its state when new (split centre I think). Correct. D181 was built with single piece headcode, D126 split centre panel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Correct. D181 was built with single piece headcode, D126 split centre panel. The alpha numeric display mechanism for both the centre split and single piece panels was as built a single unit. They were all the same with the large gap between them. It was only very late on that the odd one acquired the shorter mechanism with the narrower gap, usually after accident damage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 D11 GSYP Heriot - loveliness, simply loveliness! https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=59011 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 https://www.flickr.com/photos/barkingbill/2163776742/in/album-72157603696416788/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) https://www.flickr.com/photos/barkingbill/2163776742/in/album-72157603696416788/ A slightly earlier one ...... https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/9094864671/ Edited September 2, 2018 by 37175 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Hi All I've been playing around with a Waverley route themed concept, but two house moves have moved the goalposts as well. It doesn't seem to come up under the group heading of topics and I was wondering how I could join your illustrious group? ATB Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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