matt-b Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I know i`m going to get shot down for this but here goes..... Looking at pictures, are the 175`s and 180`s pretty much the same with a different nose? Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I know i`m going to get shot down for this but here goes..... Looking at pictures, are the 175`s and 180`s pretty much the same with a different nose? Matt I'm sure I read in Modern Railways at the time the order was placed that the basic bodyshells are similar, derived from the Nightstar bodies, and that the main structural differences were the longer nose cone and extra crash protection needed for the driving cars of the 125mph Class 180 to comply with the regulations regarding the carrying of passengers in a lead vehicle of a unit at speeds above 110mph. However we are talking some years ago and I'm not that au fait with the trains to speak authoritively, so I might be talking bovine organic waste... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 on second thoughts a class 180 in the unusual Northern Rail Livery would be a great addition!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 and a 180 wouldn't need a motor, just include a siding to dump it on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2014 and a 180 wouldn't need a motor, just include a siding to dump it on Certainly no need to fit speakers in each car, as it was rare to get all engines started in NR use...... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
(The) Youth Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 They used to make the whole JXA kit, many years ago, but I only bought two at the time and then they stopped - that taught me a lesson. I corresponded a few years ago and he said there was no intention to resurrect it (although I didn't ask just about the bogies). I just wish he would sell the patterns or moulds on to someone who would make it again. I bit late to the party on this one, but buffers bogies and transfers and a few other bits and pieces are still available from Appleby HTH Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I bit late to the party on this one, but buffers bogies and transfers and a few other bits and pieces are still available from Appleby HTH Simon Sorry - been on holiday so only just seen this. Many thanks, really useful as I could face scratchbuilding the bodies if the bogies are available. I shall write again (I have his most recent address), or does he have an email contact or phone number now please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Interesting to note a lot of requests for 319, 321 etc. type kits. What is it that folks don't like about the Bratchell kits that they think Charlie could do much better? Going back through the thread, interesting to note requests for many items that we never thought we would see from a mainstream manufacturer - 05, Garratt, DoG,...... It's not my thing personally, but I do think those who suggest PEP derived EMUs have the right idea. So many variants from the same body shell and operating over such wide parts of the rail network. The front doesn't look convincing enough on the Bratchell 320/321/322 for me to splash out that kind of money on one. Something better will come along sooner or later A Class 144 in the original Metro-train red and cream is what I'd really like to see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted March 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2014 If you are still after ideas, one of your Pacers in Regional Railways colours would tempt me yo buy one. Second choice would be one of the Original Trans-Pennine units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James90012 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 A 170 (180) has popped up again in my head as a route that could make sense - with there likely to be a large variety of livery changes across the 180 fleet in particular over the next 5 or so years. Together their operational range is also impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 A 170 (180) has popped up again in my head as a route that could make sense - with there likely to be a large variety of livery changes across the 180 fleet in particular over the next 5 or so years. Together their operational range is also impressive. I agree there are so many possible liveries for the 180 even now! Orignal First Great Western Barbie Blue First Great Westerns Dynamic Lines First Hull Trains Grand Central Trains Intermediate Northern Rail Livery Then also a possibility to go on to making a 175 then as well which would include a few liveries as well First North Western Debranded First North Western Debranded First North Western with Northern Rail logo's Arriva Trains Wales New Arriva Trains Wales Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 I agree there are so many possible liveries for the 180 even now! Orignal First Great Western Barbie Blue First Great Westerns Dynamic Lines First Hull Trains Grand Central Trains Intermediate Northern Rail Livery Then also a possibility to go on to making a 175 then as well which would include a few liveries as well First North Western Debranded First North Western Debranded First North Western with Northern Rail logo's Arriva Trains Wales New Arriva Trains Wales We have the Drawings!! Just need the cash! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 We have the Drawings!! Just need the cash! Thats great news - hope you can raise the cash as if they are any where as near as good as your 144's i will be 100% purchasing a class 180 in Northern rail livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted March 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2014 How much would it cost to make an Electrostar class 375 or 377? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouncy Bouncy Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I agree there are so many possible liveries for the 180 even now! Orignal First Great Western Barbie Blue First Great Westerns Dynamic Lines First Hull Trains Grand Central Trains Intermediate Northern Rail Livery Then also a possibility to go on to making a 175 then as well which would include a few liveries as well First North Western Debranded First North Western Debranded First North Western with Northern Rail logo's Arriva Trains Wales New Arriva Trains Wales When the 175's were de-branded from fNW, they never gained Northern (or TPE) logos, primarily as they moved to Wales when ATW was formed, which was before the creation of Northern. 175's only gained ATW logos over their First Group paint once the requirement to lease a small number of 175's each day to TPE had ended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 How much would it cost to make an Electrostar class 375 or 377? About £180,000 All In. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tase Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 About £180,000 All In. For one?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted April 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2014 ... is that with or without a soundchip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I know this thread is a bit old now and this reply is probably very late but some of the DMU/EMU suggestions I would agree with. I would definitely purchase a Class 156 or 313 if in the right livery. I'm still waiting for a BR or WYPTE Pacer to be released and I'll be having some of them as well. In regards to avoiding the Mk3 derived EMUs I think it is probably smart to avoid them given that Bratchell do kits and Bachmann will almost certainly expand the range from their excellent Class 150. If it wasn't for this I'd suggest a 317/325. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted April 4, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2014 About £180,000 All In. I forgot to say that it was to be in N gauge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 About £180,000 All In. So would that mean a 323 or 313, with just two different bodyshell toolings and two different chassis toolings would be slightly less to tool up for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 So would that mean a 323 or 313, with just two different bodyshell toolings and two different chassis toolings would be slightly less to tool up for? No, all in for a 3 car unit for tooling would be £180K, then you have to buy the models, pay for shipping, VAT & Duty, Easy really. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I forgot to say that it was to be in N gauge.[/quoteNo, all in for a 3 car unit for tooling would be £180K, then you have to buy the models, pay for shipping, VAT & Duty, Easy really. Charlie Hi Charlie, is there any point to this thread as most suggestions now just seem to be met with a comment of costings that seem way out of reach of Rail tracks finances ? Best regards Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Aah Mr Tase disagreeing with somebody's post....there's a surprise !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 No one here has said we cannot afford 150K, we are adopting one suggestion as a goer! By indicating the costs, I would have thought this might bring an appreciation of the risks ALL manufacturers go to, to get a model onto todays 4mm market. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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