bennyboy Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The art to getting a good range of products is to experiment (if you can afford it) with various era's, Bachmann are very good at this, not the large volume quantities that Hornby shift out to retailers but a steady stream of assorted era models which shops tend to stock a few of each, thus a few of each X 1000 shops is a reasonable quantity. The current trend seems to be the current/modern era! Thus we have Class 70's, 66's, MPV's, Class 350 EMU's, Voyagers, Class 170's & Class 150's. All items based on a chassis currently available in other models, thus reducing production cost and design times. Now Hornby tend to go for wide appeal big hitters like HST's, Javilin & Eurostar (2012 games!!!), Harry Potter, Thomas the Tank, Tornado, Mallard with some specialist stuff slipped in between, why Bachmann never did a HST is a mystery to me! I admire Bachmann with their range where Hornby tend to be 100% commercial. Yes, I've noticed that Hornby do seem to be more interested in modelling the more "glamourous" items of rolling stock, whereas Bachmann are quite to happy to create a broader range of models including the more mundane items such as DMUs and wagons, that nevertheless are required if you want to model all aspects of railways. Personally I'd say that Bachmann are just as commercial as Hornby, it's just that they are playing the long game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Yes, I've noticed that Hornby do seem to be more interested in modelling the more "glamourous" items of rolling stock, whereas Bachmann are quite to happy to create a broader range of models including the more mundane items such as DMUs and wagons, that nevertheless are required if you want to model all aspects of railways. Personally I'd say that Bachmann are just as commercial as Hornby, it's just that they are playing the long game. They do have a slight comercial advantage, they are owned by their supplier, Hornby is not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliver Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 The current trend seems to be the current/modern era! Thus we have Class 70's, 66's, MPV's, Class 350 EMU's, Voyagers, Class 170's & Class 150's. All items based on a chassis currently available in other models, thus reducing production cost and design times. A decent suburban 1st Generation DMU would be a good choice potentially? Class 116/7/8 family? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted August 4, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 4, 2011 Ferrywagon twinsets (i.e. the permenently coupled pairs of four wheel vans). 63' first generation DMUs - the 57' are reasonably well covered (101, 105, 108, 110) but there's only the 121 that's currently available on the longer underframe. Class 117 or 124? Track machines - appart from kits there's only two RTR models available and they're all to H0 scale. Class 02 diesel shunter Interfrigo or Transfesa ferry wagons And finally, scale everything down to N Gauge . I'd love a couple of three car units in 1980s WYPTE red and cream. Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 A decent suburban 1st Generation DMU would be a good choice potentially? Class 116/7/8 family? It amazes me that none of the big manufacturers have still not decided to produce one or all of that DMU family! They were one of longest running 1st gen DMU's and have appeared in at least seven different liveries so I reckon that they would sell well. I would have put money on Dapol announcing a N guage 117 model at the beginning of this year, as they have already done a lot of the work with their 121 model, but no it was not to be. Well not yet anyway.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 They do have a slight comercial advantage, they are owned by their supplier, Hornby is not! Yes, but that shouldn't affect what Hornby decide to produce, although I guess that Bachmann can afford to take more of a risk as they are also part of a larger company, but I wish that Hornby would be less conservative with their choice of models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Small 40HP Fowler 0-4-0DM these were built for many years and if you want to measure one Charlie you know where this one is. Oh! Yes PPPppplllleeease...in GWR colours as per GWR No.1............ Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Hi Charlie, I would like a 142, I could sell my Hornby ones then. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Peter - I've just started a detailing project on mine and fully expect Realtrack to release one in Northern livery as soon as it's finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted August 6, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2011 Hi Charlie, I would like a 142, I could sell my Hornby ones then. Cheers Peter. But sell them before Charlie tells everyone he's going to make them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share Posted August 9, 2011 But sell them before Charlie tells everyone he's going to make them Hope if you do sell them you can put the cash towards a 144! Charlie. 'Modern, Stylish & Elegant' Thats not a 142!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Hope if you do sell them you can put the cash towards a 144! Charlie. 'Modern, Stylish & Elegant' Thats not a 142!! It ain't a 144 either, They are all just VGA's with windows, seats and engines regardless of the number on the front! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepney55 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 It hasnt been mentioned yet but a SECR P class would be great please, plenty of liveries there. 323 Bluebell would be a great start! Also how about an GER N7? Another one with plenty of liveries! Then a one off, Wantage Tramway 5 Shannon in conjunction with the return to steam of this lovely little loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 10, 2011 Author Share Posted August 10, 2011 If 144s worked into Birmingham New St, Jim would love them! Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 47s did and I cant stand them. If I needed 144's I'd need them but I wouldn't love them I do like 116s though but I think we have mentioned them already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 47s did and I cant stand them. If I needed 144's I'd need them but I wouldn't love them I do like 116s though but I think we have mentioned them already. Did someone mention Derby Suburban class 116s ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 11, 2011 Author Share Posted August 11, 2011 We have a new Listing under Suppliers so this thread will be moved over as & when! Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted August 12, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2011 Hi Charlie DMUs I think there is a market for a 116 or a 120 but Bachmann probably have them on their radar. Heljan will no doubt make full use of the chassis they are doing for the 128 too. Next logical extension for you would be other 14Xs. I think there are more gaps in the wagon market and in the area of track maintenance and cranes. One wagon would I reckon might sell well would be the PTA or similar. The advantage of doing something like that is that people would hopefully buy a lot. Wagons for Yeoman, ARC and BSC all tended to be in very large rakes, some of them carried multiple liveries too. I know not everyone would be able to model a triple headed Llanwern train at full length but they would buy multiples. Eamon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bachmann do an N Gauge one! Enough said on the 101 I think. Charlie what about a decent 101 DMU.The old lima model(now done by Hornby) is hardly up to todays standards and has carried many liveries.The selling point is of course that they were seen country-wide and lasted a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 DAFT. Possibly not! Given that the 101 was actually Charlie's first DMU kit, more years ago than I care to think about, and that (as somebody has already said) it's an obvious one for Bachmann to move on to, I dont think Charlie is that daft somehow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium richierich Posted August 18, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 18, 2011 I'd vote a for Class 141 (yes very local to us Yorkies!) a Class 142. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 Some people privatly have mentioned the old GWR Railcars, but which type! Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 19, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2011 Some people privatly have mentioned the old GWR Railcars, but which type! Charlie I think the earlier 'streamlined' pattern might be the better idea Charlie in view of Hornby already having the ex Lima 'squared off' pattern on their books and thus always a possible for a major upgrade. The alternative is possibly one of the parcels cars but I don't think it would sell so well or a twin-set which i think is unlikely to ever attract the r-t-r majors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I agree, the streamlined pioneer GWR Railcars are an iconic design, and despite me having an irrational aversion to copper kettles and chocolate and cream, if ever an RTR streamline GWR railcar was produced I'd buy one just because they are a classic Art Deco design. Much more attractive than the later "austerity" style modelled by Lima/Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepney55 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 How about a GWR steam Railcar first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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